"Muslim Australia will naturally listen to the government..."
"...the government must cultivate a substantial degree of trust with Muslim Australia. It must demonstrate to Australian Muslims that the government is with them."

The fact is that for Muslims, everybody else must accomodate them and their feelings. Oh yes, and it is never their fault. The burden is always on the other side. Why is it a 'favor' for Muslims to listen? and that Muslims 'naturally' my arse!

Muslims are intellectually dishonest and morally corrupt. They talk of peace and tolerance, and then kill and oppress. Look at Muslim societies.

Notice that terrorists are also never 'real' Muslims. It is kind of funny that those four young men were good Muslims on July 1 and on July 6. Before entering the tube on July 7, if anyone had asked, they would have certainly been considered 'good' outstanding Muslim men. When they boarded the trains they were still good Muslims. Twenty minutes later they were no longer 'good' Muslims, according to the Islamic community, but ignorant deceived young men. Now we have a tape from one of them saying that Britain, the most open tolerant Country in Europe, is evil and treats Muslims badly. Gratitude!

This is the one year aniversary of the Beslin tragedy, pulled off why who? The media always reported it was Chechen rebels, but why were they yellig "Allahu Akbar" (Allah is great!) and not "Free Chechnya"? Does this make you think? Or does the death of 300 children by people yelling "Allahu Akbar" have nothing to do with Islam?

Walleed, why should I trust a people that follows a man that was a torturer? Read your histories! Your great prophet was a thug. Oh yes, 4 wives for ye, 11 plus for me (by special dispensation, of course) and don't forget the slave girls. Great man, hum? Do you consider Mohammed a good man and example?

Tell me, Walheed, are you a good Muslim? Like a July 6 good Muslim?

Kactuz

This would some it up right. Paint them black and send them back.

The vitriol, bigotry and ignorance in the above posts is appalling.

Muslims have lived here for generations and are as Australian as the next person.

Waleed, you and your family would be honoured guests in my home any time.

Shoshana,

If you had been following posts on this Forum for sometime you would realise the high regard that almost all have for Waleed. The issue is not Muslims in Australia, the problem is Islam in Australia. We can respect most Muslims we cannot accept those wishing to enforce Islam upon Australia as a divine culture and law, by degrading, threatening and abusing women, and people who do not believe in Islam

Shoshana, you may be refering to me...

Please understand that these are serious issues. We are talking about oppression and discrimination, pain and suffering, rape and hate, torture and death. As you may have noticed, for some reason when we talk about all of these, we often end up talking about a certain religion. Guess which one?

Do you have a problem with people asking these questions and wanting answers? Is it "vitriol" or "bigotry" to demand that a group of people treat others as they want to be treated? Is it "ignorance" to ask them about events in their own histories?

Tell me, Shoshona, do you think a man that ordered body parts cut off, hot nails put through eyes and then let the victim die of thirst (finally) is a good person? Do you not think this might be relevant in determining the character of a person and a group that follows that person?

Notice the tone of the article - that tells you pretty much how Muslims see dialogue with others. Why is it a "favor" to Muslims to consider the opinion of the rest of society?

The reason I insist is because they don't answer. Can you imagine why?

The meeting of "moderate" Muslims with the PM is a bad joke. It is just Political Correctness. It is a waste of time. Radical Muslims kill, moderate Muslims make excuses - that is the way it is. Muslims will do what Muslims do. Wait, watch and see. I wish I could say otherwise, but the facts are pretty clear - and sad.

John AKA Kactuz

John AKA Kactuz

Thanks for your last paragraph. Spot on with me.

Cheers
Kay