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Why we need to challenge Russia’s human shields narrative : Comments

By Nicola Perugini and Neve Gordon, published 5/4/2022

Vladimir Putin appealed directly to the personnel of the armed forces of Ukraine: 'Do not allow neo-Nazis and (Ukrainian right-wing radical nationalists) to use your children, wives and elders as human shields'.

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Mox,

Can you imagine a world where imperial Japan and Nazi Germany had lived until now? I see much of them in contemporary Russia.

Why are Japan and Germany so wealthy and good world citizens today? Do they have US puppet governments? Are they picked on by the US?

Ukraine has a liberal democracy, not a US puppet government. Personally I believe that Russians would have been wealthier than Americans today had they adopted a liberal democracy instead of a hate and paranoia inspiring autocracy.

As for the military invasion, I think that the Russian forces will be ejected from all of Ukraine bar Crimea within six months. I get the impression that the invasion has been a complete PR disaster for Putin. The criminality and brutality of the Russian army will bring more severe sanctions, keep the Ukranians fighting and the weapons flowing.
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 8:18:56 PM
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So let me get this right mox. There's a whole lot of people in Ukraine that have the ability to produce hours and hours of fake but convincingly realistic looking war zone video productions on their home computers/phones. And they can do this during the middle of a full scale war in one of the poorest if not the poorest country in Europe, with no budget and no previous acknowledged cinematic special effects experience, and within hours of events (such as the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev) that they've manipulated with these fake video's to their advantage.

Well watch out Hollywood!! Hollywood has been completely obsoleted by these guys!! Because it takes Hollywood, which is an industry that has decades of experience in special effects, 10's to 100's of millions of dollars using the world's most advanced movie editing and SFX graphics computer hardware/programs available at least months (but usually years) to produce less than two hours worth of realistic war scenes for a movie.

Or maybe, just maybe, mox the videos coming out of Ukraine are real? Hmm, something for you to think about.
Posted by thinkabit, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 10:05:04 PM
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I don't even need to read the stupid article, because I know her claim is wrong already.
For absolute certain, the Azov Brigate was refusing to allow civilians to leave Mariupol.

There's need to challenge Russia’s human shields narrative,
because it's not a narrative;
- Unlike everything other bit of bullcrap spouted from the TV these days.

Maybe you should write your next article on propaganda.
Maybe talk about the ills of turning your citizens into enemy combatants.
Or staging atrocities to sell a war to other western citizens.
So that no 'normal' person could oppose intervention.

This whole thing was engineered by US and Western interests.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 10 April 2022 3:14:34 PM
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AC

Do Japan and Germany invade neighbouring countries for spurious reasons, like claiming the neighbouring country is hassling ethnic minorities and plotting against them? Do they claim to be the victims of conspiracies by the US and her allies? They used to do that. Now they are paranoia free liberal democracies, peaceful and prosperous.

The mess in the Ukraine is totally the fault of Russia, a third world toxic waste dump run by psychopathic gangsters. And why would they use their nukes on western countries when the west is full of their loot, mistresses and kids? It is up to the Russian people to depose the horrible cleptocrats, else they can enjoy a miserable isolation from the civilised world like North Korea. Here is vid of some genocidal Russian thugs being blown to hell with a Javelin for your enjoyment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtAEI9L-buY
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 10 April 2022 6:35:42 PM
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I can really do without your 'dumb as a box of rocks' analysis.
This is ENTIRELY the United States fault.

It's the United States fault when it failed to keep it's word in regards to NATO expansion following the fall of the USSR.
It's the United States fault for conducting the overthrow of the democratically elected leader Yanukovych in 2014 in the Maidan.

It's the United States fault for using its 5th columns to try and overthrow Autocratic nations and in doing so point a gun directly at Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Venezeula and who knows where else.

This is a battle by globalists for total control of the planet
- Rule by Western monetery policy.

The United States could have easily prevented this situation by making clear that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO, but it publicly left that door open deliberately to help start this conflict in the same way it destabilised the region when it overthrew the country in 2014.

Are you so dumb that you do not comprehend that Russia, Iran and Venezeula not have enough wealth in natural resources for all their citizens to live like kings?
What do they need to make war with anyone for.

INSERT SANCTIONS HERE

And then you have the West making economic war against them.
The West is the aggressor, but you are too blind to see it.

I don't support western sanctions, its collective punishment and the West moves to overthrow and control countries through 'democracy', inserting its puppet rulers as it pleases and then robs those nations.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 11 April 2022 11:16:46 AM
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How much oil has the US stolen from Syria?
How many bombs have they supplied Saudi Arabia dropped on Yemen?
I havent forgotten how they dropped a bomb on a funeral of 400 people.
No-one cares about human rights then do they?
- or when Venezeulans are eating cats and dogs?

And we talk about the US being all good and holy, well I haven't forgotten Madeline Albright justifying the deaths or 500,000 Iraqi babies for the sake of their war:
- the hunt for non-existant weapons of mass destruction.
You were fooled then and your being fooled now.

- And you can bet YOUR LIFE the US has shot and killed untold numbers of civilians that got to close to their military assets without a care in their invasions.

This whole thing is a carefully managed psy-op and follows the same old script.

First you use civil society groups to cause unrest and get protestors out in the streets with the aim of getting police to act heavy handed so you can put it all over everyone's TV sets.
Then once the police or government is heavy handed against the protestors and you've used the media against them, the government will act to shut down that media.
It's then you label the government and leader an enemy of free speech a dictator / a regime / and not fit to govern the people.
It's a script mate.
You cause civil unrest and oust the existing government and install your puppet ruler.
That's what the West does.

These Autocratic countries cant do anything BUT act like paranoid dictators when this is how the West plays, and any such move towards democracy, the West will use as an opening to conduct an overthrow.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 11 April 2022 11:28:03 AM
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