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Fairness and equality are not the same thing : Comments

By Steven Schwartz, published 5/4/2022

Engineering equality is neither achievable nor desirable; it isn't even fair.

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Why is this philosophy of equality limited to humans?
Is that fair that it does not extend to animals?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 4:07:56 PM
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equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcomes.
Dr James Page,
The whole world knows that first hand !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 4:30:56 PM
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Opportunity + Self-effort = Outcome

We all initially had the exact same opportunity, but we all use it differently, thus gain different outcomes.

The illusion of different opportunities is due to our artificial dissection of time, when we look at and consider only the latest segment of time, i.e. from our last birth till now.

Of course we all had different opportunities at the time of our birth, but we also had many earlier births in which we made so many choices that ended up affecting our current birth circumstances such as our family and its wealth, genetics, intelligence, luck, etc.

Nothing is unfair about God bringing us each our deserved fruits of our previous actions, including in previous lives: doing otherwise would in fact be unfair.

Even when our immediate prospects are poor, we then all start again from where we are at now and make renewed efforts for a better long-term outcome.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 8:05:00 PM
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Yuyutsu- Yes equality between humans and animals. Most people don't understand how their ideas are anthropo-fascist and micro-aggressive to animals.

Jordan Peterson talks about equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity. Affirmative action quota programs are an example of policies for equality of outcome.

I see the growing wealth inequality as a function of globalization- and it's creeping prevalence. Human's don't seem to be well adapted to societies of 10 Billion people- in the eighties Australia had a population of 14 Million people- in 8 months the world will have 8 Billion people.

Some principle needs to control the power invested at each level of the hierarchy of society- otherwise power will creep to the top. Power takes three forms- force, knowledge, money- society takes several levels- the forms and the levels need to be divided appropriately.

Nations need to be responsible for their own populations and management.

Some global companies need to become national companies (not nationalized)- because of cultural toxicity.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 8:46:57 PM
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Thanks Hasbeen for your experience. Atlas Shrugged talked about putting pleasure before productivity in contradiction to nature (and Aristotle- effect before cause). Striving has rewards. Kudos.

Joseph Stiglitz' paper on Inefficient Markets was interesting but I suspect I'd be less enthusiastic about his new material
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 8:56:14 PM
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Only those who exploit the less privileged would argue that I spoke like communist. Communism is about state ownership and state control! And not even remotely relating to my comment.

I believe those that earn the wealth should be the ones who own it and those folk are the ones whose bent backs and intelligence creates all our wealth.

Just because some individual has a large bank balance, does not imply he earned it via his own endevour any more than the white shoe brigade, earned any of their ill gotten gains. Any more than Trump did!

I believe in capitalism, just not the extreme capitalism of the average rogue employer.

But rather, cooperative capitalism the heart and soul of all co-ops.

Co-ops were the only private enterprise, free market business model to survive the Great Depression largely intact. And mostly because they were the most cost effective and efficient. And because their profits remain in the local community kept on working until exhausted.

And due to the usual economic flow on factors, made one dollar do the work of seven! And the very economic template we need to employ to guarantee a very robust recovery.

A few very ignorant folk might see that as communism just as they see buddhism or a kabutz or collective as communism!

What the real problem for those who exploit others, is that all the above deals them out just as factory direct sales do! And given all the above eliminate the profit demanding, paper shuffling middleman.

They also halve the cost of living and doing business! Just look at the oil barons and the way they corner the oil spot market to create artificial scarcity to see and understand, these totally unproductive buy and sell parasites, need eliminating!

If that rattles a few cages, allows the morons to go ballistic? I don't give a rats!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 5 April 2022 9:45:56 PM
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