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For Ukraine, the time is now : Comments

By Sam Ben-Meir, published 21/3/2022

Over 2 million Ukrainians have now become refugees each one a part of the largest dispersal of Europeans across the continent in decades.

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Refugees have "nothing to be proud of" while "ordinary Ukrainians are spilling their blood to defend their homeland". The very word 'refugee' sets my teeth on edge. We have given them open sesame for three years, with all the trimmings, which really means we will have them permanently. People who won't fight for their own country are hardly the sort we want here.

All this sentimental claptrap and virtue signalling ignores history, and is rooted in the idea that Putin and Russia must be wrong just because they are Putin and Russia. People who are clearly not heroes are being hailed as heroes just because they are not like Putin. If you want to concentrate on personalities and big egos, have a good look at that squirt of an ex-comedian playing at being president of the country he is allowing to be ripped to shreds for some crappy principle that is about as stupid as the old 'better dead than red' mantra of the Cold War days. I'll bet that he will eventually piss off before the Russians get him, leaving a lot of unnecessarily dead people behind.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 March 2022 9:24:22 AM
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ttbn,
Tough but true !
Posted by individual, Monday, 21 March 2022 9:47:55 AM
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individual,

Thanks. Probably not popular with the usual suspects but, as I said before, one can regret what is happening to Ukraine without talking BS.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 March 2022 10:19:40 AM
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One could argue the pros and cons for hours.
And get nowhere.
This one said that, the other one did this....
But this is not a movie.
This is real life.
As far as I am aware, Ukraine did not attack Russia.
Russia attacked Ukraine.
And, as far as I am aware, without GOOD reason.
It did have a reason of course, but it was not defence.
So it was aggression with a particular purpose?
Let us retreat from talking about personalities.
And concentrate on the fact that one country is killing the citizens of another country.
For reasons which are not defence....
Think about why that is happening....
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Monday, 21 March 2022 10:23:31 AM
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the opinion by medical people is that Putin has a personality that
would use nuclear weapons.
Not sure if they can tell this without interviewing him.
However his troops seem to have orders to kill civilians.
To kill a queue of people lined up for bread !
Is that different to using a nuclear weapon in Putin's mind ?

The only deterrent could be a warning if he does then Moscow will not
exist by tomorrow noon.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 21 March 2022 11:07:09 AM
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Hard to disagree with any of this! And I agree there needs to be more boots on the ground in neighbouring states. And these don't need to be U.S. boots but E.U. ones.

Moreover, there needs to be a no fly zone and safe corridors, into E.U. and NATO signatories!

But never into Russia! As this could result in slavery and enforced labour in Russian Gulags?

The west (nuclear armed France, Germany) needs to step up and call Putin's bluff. Time is well past for the entirely unprovoked, blatant bloody butchery to end! And end it should before the whole world is embroiled in WW111? And a no holds barred, nuclear war?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 21 March 2022 11:10:02 AM
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