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For Ukraine, the time is now : Comments

By Sam Ben-Meir, published 21/3/2022

Over 2 million Ukrainians have now become refugees – each one a part of the largest dispersal of Europeans across the continent in decades.

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I understand that there is a lot of resentment towards the Russian Puppet in Belarus. Now imagine if the west started arming the dissidents in Belarus and opened a second front for the Russians?

The Ivans would collapse in a couple of weeks.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 24 March 2022 2:49:55 PM
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Foxy

Why did you sink to personal abuse?
That is a bullying behaviour.
Forthrightness is more difficult than abuse.

To restate my view of your comments:

'This conflict is not about Putin vs. Ukraine.
It's about the world fighting evil.'

That is a load of codswallop. The world is sitting on it backside talking just like you are.
Waffling about what all the world needs to do.

'The world must unite and be fully aware
That this is a battle that we all need to share'

Without, repeat without, telling us how. Without urging the likes of Biden, Psaki, Macron, Trudeau, Boris and the other coward elitists to go to war with the fascist Russians.

That, FOXY is the typical behaviour of the useless elites.
Your incantation is exactly the same.ie tell us what to do without saying how.

Our difference is, you see yourself and are still a 'westie from Sydney', I'm was an embryo who has grown into an intelligent adult.

Me buying into Putin's , propaganda?
There you go again, Foxy, wrong. I'll correct you.

One,
It isn't, as you say, Putin's propaganda that says the Ukrainians are nazis.
It is Russian Propaganda. Russia has invaded and is at war with Ukraine.
Two,
You say I made reference to Russian nazis.
In here I've referred to Russian fascists not Russian nazis.
You are confused.

cont...
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 24 March 2022 3:11:11 PM
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imajulianutter,

How on earth can I argue with the logic of someone
who calls himself a nutter, and tells me that I am
wrong and misguided ... like all elitists, then
accuses me of stooping to abuse?
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 March 2022 4:02:07 PM
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Cont,

Another couple of facts you've missed:
-the Ukrainians fought alongside the Germans, who they felt, liberated them from the Russian communism fascists.
-the Russians conducted a genocide of starvation against the Ukrainians after ww2.
-the most peaceful leaders of the former ussr were the Ukrainians Nikita Khrushchev and
Leonid Brezhnev ... yep during the Cold War, when no wars were conducted in the tinderbox of Europe.
-It wasn't our armies that established man's right to liberty, it was the great thinkers of the past 2500 years who voiced and codified the behaviours (way of life) of the individuals within their communities, and who are still doing that today. I'd suggest you read of their Great Conversation ... conducted over many centuries. Start with the Egyptian 'The Precepts of Ptah Hotep', from 2350 BC.
-at the moment in the west entrepreneurs and working people are not free. Our freedoms have been suppressed and vilified by the 'educated elites', in our governments, public services, international and national corporations, media and education institutions.

Trump reversed that.

Read James Burnham, The Managerial Revolution 1945 and The Machievallians 1949.
They would lead to improvement and correct your cockeyed world view.

In Australia today fascism is rife.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 24 March 2022 6:21:52 PM
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imajulianutter,

I appreciate your taking the time to explain your position
to me.

I appreciate that.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 March 2022 6:35:25 PM
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Well Foxy,

I think that you and IJN both care about people. That is what distinguishes you both from people like Putin. I think that going after evil can be a bit nebulous and cause collateral damage, like a war on terror for example.
Posted by Fester, Thursday, 24 March 2022 7:19:32 PM
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