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Kabul: some good must come of this : Comments

By Graham Young, published 19/8/2021

What we are seeing in Afghanistan is an international version of defunding the police. This is Portland Oregon or Kenosha, just with a broader canvass and even more elemental actors.

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SR creates this fantasy world where no matter what happened it was Trump's fault. Apparently, in this fantasy world the Afghan Army failed because of something Trump did 12 months ago. Nothing to do with Biden - perish the thought.

Well some might beg to differ.....
"Afghan Military Officers: We Fought Hard but Biden 'Abandoned' Us"

http://www.newsweek.com/afghan-military-officers-we-fought-hard-biden-abandoned-us-1621473

"While the Afghan Army had one of Central Asia's largest fleet of choppers, he said, virtually all the mechanics and maintenance crew were U.S. contractors, many of which were withdrawn months ago. Helicopter repair facilities and spare-parts warehouses were largely located at Bagram Air Base, which was shuttered by the U.S. military several weeks before the Taliban took control. Fuel, once delivered by the U.S., was also in short supply. "The Americans abandoned us," the 36-year-old Afghan National Army lieutenant colonel told Zenger. "The plan was not to abandon a country in a situation like this."

Now it may be true that these people have reason to diminish their errors and lay the blame elsewhere, it is also true that what they say has also been said by some in the US and concurs with the advice Biden was given 4 months ago.

But in the TDS fantasy-land, none of that matters.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 11:36:33 AM
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Dear mhaze,

My God, really?

Trump completely ignored the Afghani government when he waltzed off to do a deal with the Taliban a year ago. He had agreed to their demand to have 5,000 fighters released before they would enter into talks.

And somehow you are attempting to manufacture some kind of equivalency with the actions of Biden. You are a psycophantic deluded fool if you think this isnt directly as a result of Trump's actions.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 1:07:20 PM
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"You are a psycophantic deluded fool if you think this isnt directly as a result of Trump's actions, " says SR as he desperately tries to avoid seeing any of the evidence.

"Members of Parliament[UK]... attacked Biden for his "shameful" criticism of the Afghan National Army and said it was "dishonourable" to blame Afghanistan's fighting force for the Taliban's takeover."

"Several top-level UK government officials have slammed President Joe Biden’s gross incompetence in Afghanistan, warning he “may have condemned the world to Chinese domination in the future.”

"Members in the House of Lords blasted Biden for handing the country over to the Taliban with his botched withdrawal."

" the British Houses of Parliament decided to hold Biden’s handling of the situation in contempt, with lawmakers condemning his withdrawal plan as “catastrophic” and “shameful,”

"In her sharpest attack on Biden’s decision yet, the German chancellor suggested that the Biden administration’s hasty and messy withdrawal was motivated by “domestic political reasons” rather than geostrategic necessities."

More "psycophantic deluded fool[s]"??
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 1:41:57 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Absolutely none of the quotes contradicts anything I have said.

Biden is the most visible target at the moment, expecially because Trump has steered away from any ownership of it, but that hardly absolves your president.

"In her sharpest attack on Biden’s decision yet, the German chancellor suggested that the Biden administration’s hasty and messy withdrawal was motivated by “domestic political reasons” rather than geostrategic necessities."

Mmmm, 'domestic political reasons', I would certainly agree with the chancellor here but her aim is a little off.

“The move would allow US President Donald Trump to show that he has brought troops home ahead of the US presidential election in November. “
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443

The place was always going to be handed over to the Taliban because they were the ones Trump did the deal with, a deal he quite deliberately left the Afghan government out of.

One of your quotes: "Members in the House of Lords blasted Biden for handing the country over to the Taliban with his botched withdrawal."

What bollocks.

So mate, what did Biden need to do to stop this going down the path that Trump set for that poor nation?

Look your defence of your president is utterly deluded. Right wingers are always seeking to deflect and blame others but you seem to really believe this stuff. Wake up.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 2:09:42 PM
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OK SR everyone is wrong except you.

The Afghan military blame Biden.
The UK parliament blames Biden
The Europeans blame Biden
The US military blame Biden
The CIA blame Biden.

But you blame anyone other than Biden based on precisely nothing other than your desire to not look like you backed a monumental dill.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 2:48:16 PM
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SR

Biden has been in office for 7 months he has access to all the information and the officers etc to assess the situation on the ground. This balls-up is entirely his responsibility. He could have walked away from Trump's cease-fire but Biden wanted the withdrawal even more than Trump. A prisoner swap 18 months ago is not the excuse for incompetence today.

Along with the southern border disaster, Biden couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 4:10:09 PM
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