Again SR you are just making assertions without any evidence. For all you know all 5000 went back to the home provinces and weren't around Kabul at the appropriate time. In any case, Kabul fell without a shot fired, so whether there was one fighter or 10000 matters not in the least.

You say Trump got "He got zero significant concessions"....

1. He got 1000 Afghan security guards.
2. He got a cease fire.
3. He got a commitment to "to end its [Taliban ] support for terrorist groups including Al Qaeda."
4. A commitment not to attack or allow others to attack any coalition troops. (Trump cut the talks off at one point when one person was killed.) No US soldier died following the agreement.

All that was pissed out the window when sleepy Joe reneged on the agreement.

Additionally it was predicated on further talks, which required further commitments from Taliban. And Trump told them "“If bad things happen, we’ll go back with a force like no one’s ever seen.”

SR I get it. You can't bear that your so-called president has screwed up this badly and desperately want to blame Trump. But when you say Trump got nothing for the 5000 you'e just making it up in the hope that no one will notice your deception. But I always do.

BTW, do you still think the evidence against outdoor transmission of the WuFlu is a crock. Couldn't help but notice you slinked away from the thread when that bit of deception fell apart for you

Dear mhaze,

You really are being utterly disingenuous.

You said earlier: "The US is in retreat, led by a bumbling fool who heads a team and party whose first priority is their rather than their nation's welfare."

It was your president who sounded the retreat from Afghanistan yet you are trying to make this all about Biden. Bollocks

SR,

Your sycophantic adoration of Biden is sickening. Biden inherited 6 months ago an Afghanistan that was firmly in the grip of the US but with a ceasefire negotiated with the Taliban and a roadmap to withdrawal. He was under no obligation to follow the legacy plan any more than any of the previous plans he ditched. Only a few left whinge suck-ups are sufficiently deluded to think that the blame for this monumental cock-up belongs with anyone other than Biden.

Biden's approval rating has plummeted into the negative showing that the American people know who is responsible.

SR writes " It was your president who sounded the retreat.."

There is a monumental difference between a withdrawal and a retreat.

Trump, indeed pretty much the whole of the US establishment, wanted out of this war. It was a bi-partisan issue in the last 'election'. An orderly withdrawal in March was all set to go but was replaced by this shambolic retreat in September. That's all down to Biden.

The criticism of Biden and his band of screw-ups isn't about leaving Afghanistan but about the way it was done. They utterly misunderstood the strength of the Taliban. They utterly misunderstood the strength of the Afghan army. They utterly misunderstood the effects of withdrawing air support for the Afghan forces. They utterly miscalculated how quickly things would unravel. They got the order of exit utterly wrong. How anyone thought pulling the military out first and the civilians later was a sensible plan defies understanding.

Biden et al screwed up mightily. They and the US are a laughing stock although I wonder how long people will be laughing if civilians start dying.

Dear mhaze,

“The criticism of Biden and his band of screw-ups isn't about leaving Afghanistan but about the way it was done. They utterly misunderstood the strength of the Taliban. They utterly misunderstood the strength of the Afghan army.”

Well no they patently didn't.

What was obviously not clear to Biden and the CIA was how much Trump signing the country over to the Taliban a year ago would have emboldened them nor how much it would have gutted the existing Afghan army of any willingness to resist the inevitable.

"Well no they patently didn't."

Oh well...if you say so. Perhaps some evidence might help your assertions.

But I'm sure all those USians still behind enemy lines, not to mention the Afghans who helped the previous government and want out, will be pleased to learn that Biden didn't screw up and everything is going to plan.