SR,

All of this was known by your president's regime. A few days before the withdrawal he was spouting on about how many well equipped Afghans there were and that there and that there was no danger of collapse.

Either your president is incompetent or a colossal liar or both.

Shadowminister and mhaze,

Good God you two take the cake. Your president set this up. He did the lopsided deal with the Taliban, he agreed to the release of 5,000 Taliban fighters, he stuck with his promise to leave Afghanistan, but here you are trying to dump this on Biden.

You really are both utterly delusional and totally incapable of independent thinking.

SR

You are so demented in your hatred of Trump that you can't see the obvious. Trump set the withdrawal in motion 18 months ago and the withdrawal was always going to be messy. Biden who has been CinC for more than 6 months managed to turn an ordered withdrawal into a shambolic rout.

The accountability for this monumental cock-up lies squarely with Biden.

shadowminister,

Let's change just one word.

'You are so demented in your love of Trump that you can't see the obvious. Trump set the withdrawal in motion 18 months ago and the withdrawal was always going to be messy.'

What on earth do you think was going to happen. Trump signed over Afghanistan to the Taliban, that is an undeniable fact even for you. It was suppose to happen in May. Biden bought extra months.

What you lot seem to have be wanting was the Afghan army to buy some time for the US to clear out before the Taliban took full control. Why or earth do you think they should have put their lives on the line to do this knowing American support was quickly coming to an end?

The fact that this has not been far more bloody has a lot to do with how it is being managed right now.

For you lot to be attempting to call Biden out for what he inherited from Trump is just utterly partisan crap.

This is standard SR. He needs to defend Biden and blame it all on Trump so he finds some inconsequential piece of data which he doesn't even try to prove is important, but asserts that it is. And then he pretends that this piece of inconsequential data proves what he already wanted to be true.

Of course, in SR's Trump Derangement Syndrome, everything is Trump's fault. If I started thread on the extinction of the dinosaurs, SR would pop up with some utterly irrelevant data that proved, in his mind, that it was all Trump's fault.

The fact is the current disaster in Kabul is caused by Biden - or more exactly by the puppet-masters behind the scenes telling the demented fool what to say and think.

The Biden exit is nothing like the proposed Trump exit. I don't care to go into detail because SR isn't interested anyway but two major differences:

1. Trump was planning on being out by May for strategic purposes. Biden chose September for propaganda purposes.

2. Trump's plan called for incremental steps which had to be met by the Taliban meeting certain criteria. The next step only occurred if the Taliban complied with their commitments. The Biden plan was to pack up and leave and hope to hell it all worked out.

There's much more such as the US maintenance of the Afghan airforce, but as I said SR isn't interested. He just wants to find an excuse to exonerate his man.

Perhaps he should tell the Chinese who are laughing at Biden. Or the UK parliament that holds him in contempt. Or the Afghan soldiers who are openly mocking him. Or the US intelligence community who are leaking all over to prove it was all Biden's fault.

Dear mhaze,

Blather.

Not even a single sourced quote, just flim flam likely off some hard right blog you use for evidence nowadays.

Trump set up the hand over to the Taliban and they went laughing all the way to the bank. He got zero significant concessions from them and allowed them to significantly boost their ranks with prisoners he ordered released.

What other outcome was possible after that?