Trump was impeached twice and deserved it. Whether the Democrats did well politically or not by impeaching him they did the right thing.

Well said david f
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The author diverting attention to proud Democratic representatives of democracy

provides an implicit defence of his idol of Incitement, Trumpsy.

In so doing there is apparent siding with Trumpsy's frequently anti-Semitic supporters.

This article is a rather pathetic appeal to Trumpsy's base Base.
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TRUMP'S JANUARY 6, 2021 SPEECH THAT INCITED THE MOB: TRANSCRIPT: PART ONE:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech

"The media will not show the magnitude of this crowd.

Even I, when I turned on today, I looked, and I saw thousands of people here, but you don’t see hundreds of thousands of people behind you because they don’t want to show that.

We have hundreds of thousands of people here, and I just want them to be recognised by the fake news media.

Turn your cameras please and show what’s really happening out here because these people are not going to take it any longer.

They’re not going to take it any longer. Go ahead. Turn your cameras, please.

Would you show?

They came from all over the world, actually, but they came from all over our country.

I just really want to see what they do.

I just want to see how they covered.

I’ve never seen anything like it.

But it would be really great if we could be covered fairly by the media.

The media is the biggest problem we have as far as I’m concerned, single biggest problem, the fake news and the big tech.

Big tech is now coming into their own. We beat them four years ago.

We surprised them. We took them by surprise and this year, they rigged an election.

They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before.

By the way, last night, they didn’t do a bad job either, if you notice. I’m honest.

I just, again, I want to thank you.

It’s just a great honour to have this kind of crowd and to be before you.

Hundreds of thousands of American patriots are committed to the honesty of our elections and the integrity of our glorious republic."

MORE TO COME

The human (natural) reaction to Trump's incitement of the mob on 6th January 2021, was to obtain retribution of justice- to punish the offender. While some stigma will always be attached to Trump's name through his incitement of the mob invasion of the Capitol and death of five people, the feeling by many that Trump should be punished, remains strong. As another post has stated, the number change of the Democrats is really irrelevant, and may not have anything to do with this issue.

What is important, however, is the stability in the political mood of America. In other words, how will the impeachment proceedings affect the long-term relationships between Democrats and Republicans? As Joe Biden said 'this civil war must end'.

Traditionally throughout history the penalty for insurrection has been death.
If they find Trump guilty do you think they will impose a death sentence.
If not why not ?
They impose it on others for less serious crimes.

"Democrats impeaching Trump fuel hatred, division and violence"

That says it all!

Good point, Bazz: if Trumpf can be shown to have incited violence or crimes against the US state, or against any of its constituent states, such as Michigan or Georgia, or against the good order of Washington DC itself, then he should face the appropriate charges.

If it can be shown that he has incited personal violence against any public official, such as the Governor of Michigan, or against the vice-president of the US itself, then appropriate charges should be brought against him.

If it can be shown that he has tried to persuade any government official, such as the governor and A-G of Georgia, to break the law, then he should face appropriate charges.

But I suspect that, if he is charged and found guilty of treason, he won't be executed - President Biden may have brought about the abolition of the death penalty by the time Trumpf is found guilty. But he may spend many years in jail, along with a lot of his associates.

Joe

The United States has a history of political parties that have passed their use by date after they have elected presidents or vice-presidents. They no longer represent a coherent doctrine in the light of changing reality and disappear. They are Federalist, Democrat-Republican, Whig and Union. Possibly Trump has finished the Republican Party.

So true Cyclone, Bazza and Joe

See/hear the most damning words in Trump's Sieg Heil Incitement Speech Jan 6, 2021 here http://youtu.be/mh3cbd7niTQ?t=30s

KEY WORDS OF VIOLENCE IN SPEECH TEXT CONTINUES:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech

"It’s a disgrace. Even when you look at last night, they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.

Crowd: Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!

...They’ve totally lost control. They’ve used the pandemic as a way of defrauding the people in a proper election...

...The weak Republicans, they’re pathetic Republicans and that’s what happens. If this happened to the Democrats, there’d be hell all over the country going on. There’d be hell all over the country.

But just remember this. You’re stronger, you’re smarter. You’ve got more going than anybody, and they try and demean everybody having to do with us, and you’re the real people. You’re the people that built this nation. You’re not the people that tore down our nation...

The weak Republicans, and that’s it. I really believe it. I think I’m going to use the term, the weak Republicans. You got a lot of them, and you got a lot of great ones, but you got a lot of weak ones...

...Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.

But this year using the pretext of the China virus and the scam of mail-in ballots, Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft. There’s never been anything like this. It’s a pure theft in American history, everybody knows it."

SHOCKING!

Fuel hatred and violence? The sieg hiel mob that attacked capital hill, can't be wound any tighter.
The kinda crap that you promote buddy, serves nobody! Certainly not unity!

I don't believe Biden has much of an appetite for impeachment and there are enough completely corrupt republicans in the senate to give the A-hole a free pass. even where it can be demonstrated the A-hole broke the law by applying pressure on a Georgia official to try and rig the election?

In truth, there probably was some fraud and rigging for Trump and with the help of some Russian cybercriminals? But hardly any evidence whatsoever for anything like the A-hole seditionist claims for the Dems.

The A-hole needs to pay for his proven crimes a would any other citizen protected by a bill of irrevocable rights? He needs to be soapeaned and forced to take the stand. where should he want to, he can plead the fifth?

Others who he has pardoned have no such avenue open to them and are confronted with just two choices? Perjury and prison or simply answering the questions, with statement of fact!

NY Prosecution awaits!
Alan B.

In this time of social calamity in the US, where the pre COVID estimate of homelessness is very conservatively estimated at 170/100k of the population, and where estimates of a potential figure of forty million homeless following the current COVID emergency are appearing on the horizon, why couldn’t a reasonable person anticipate a Governing traditional working class centred political party, have the welfare of its citizens set as a priority over and above a vindictive bitch-out.

Give me Donald Trump every time!

Dan

Dan,

Well, it's obviously not 'either-or' - the Dems seem to be tackling many, many issues at once, there would be so much to do. So yes, they can try to impeach Trumpf (a lost cause, I think, given Republicans' utterly principle-free opportunism), AND tackle homelessness. As well as a multitude of other issues.

Yes, government people can walk and fart at the same time, as a famous Democrat president observed.

Joe

Plant,

The bar for incitement is far higher than what you have offered. Incitement would need to include Trump either directly instructing the crowd to invade the Capitol or making statements to the crowd that could only be interpreted that way.

This second impeachment is as evidence deficient as the first. The vote is likely to go along partisan lines and fail again. This combined with the highly partisan action taken by house democrats to exclude a republican congresswoman from committees will also be remembered when the republicans take the house

Alan, Trumps words "Find me 'so many' votes" can be taken two ways.
It could mean find that many fraudulent Biden votes and that would mean his win.
In that context I think as they would not have any more Trump votes
but by finding votes that were fraudulent they more easily achieve the same end.
It just seem more likely.

Dear shadowminister,

You whinged: "This combined with the highly partisan action taken by house democrats to exclude a republican congresswoman from committees will also be remembered when the republicans take the house"

What?

Please name a single redeeming feature of that bat shtt crazy female. Full blown fruit loop no sane person would want a bar of. Is this really what you have been reduced to, sticking up for the worst even the Republican party can muster?

Hi Shadowminister

Re your request: "Incitement would need to include Trump either directly instructing the crowd to invade the Capitol or making statements to the crowd that could only be interpreted that way."

You realise Trump's speech is around 10,000 words? I'm working through it. The mob heard the parts of the speech Trump stressed.

Read and view parts of the speech well Shadow:

1. NOTE WHAT TRUMP EXPLAIN'S TO THE MOB at this point in his SPEECH http://youtu.be/mh3cbd7niTQ?t=1m13s

2. NOTE KEY WORDS OF VIOLENCE IN TRUMP'S SPEECH TEXT at http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech

"Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy.

After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country...

...They had their point of view, I had my point of view. But you’d have an argument. Now what they do is they go silent. It’s called suppression. And that’s what happens in a communist country.

That’s what they do. They suppress. You don’t fight with them any more, unless it’s a bad...

It’s suppression and you have to be very careful with that. And they’ve lost all credibility in this country. We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe..."

Trump called on the crowd to go "marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Peacefully and patriotically...incitement to riot and revolution if I've ever heard it. /sarc off.

The impeachment is a fake, just like impeachment 1.

The first one, we now know, was initiated to hide the Biden corruption in Ukraine. And not just corruption by Hunter, but also by the 'big guy' - aka president asterisk. This was always clear to those familiar with the facts, but should be obvious to even those less inclined to fact-seeking following the revelation from the Biden laptop. But for many, TDS creates visual filters.

This impeachment has three purposes. First is to deflect from the first month or two of the Xiden administration and assaults on democracy being waged by the DNC. The second is to continue to hold Trump up as a bogeyman for the TDS crowd. After all, Xiden offers and offered nothing except that he wasn't Trump. Without Trump around playing Emmanuel Goldstein to the Dems Big Brother, the fact that Biden has nothing to offer would become blindingly obvious to even the dimmest of Democrat black-shirts. Thirdly, the Dems remain terrified of a Trump comeback. His support from Republicans remains unchanged and that will only increase as the Democrat agenda is revealed eg Keystone Pipeline. He still has the support of his 74 million voters and that will solidify as more and more evidence mounts that the election was stolen (anyone read the Time Magazine revelations?). So the best result for the Democrats is that Trump be banned from running again, even if he wanted to. They won't get their wish.

A cabal of globalists, unions, big tech and Wall St conspired (their word) to swing the election to the Chinese candidate. The overlooked working and middle class, when they see the full globalist agenda won't be happy. The Dems know this and, while they'll change the rules to make the voters immaterial, having Trump out of the way will make that easier.

Mhaze,

And 'fight like hell'. What, peacefully, against Capitol Police ? So five people died ? And no hints whatever about hanging Mike Pence ? Not even the gallows set up outside ?

Get a grip. No, loosen it just a bit.

But I suppose whatever fits your narrative, that's what you run with, regardless of its validity.

Joe

Dear mhaze,

5 people died mate, does that sound peaceful to you?

This was incitement.

"We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's Capitol for one very, very basic and simple reason, to save our democracy."

"We will not let them silence your voices. We're not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen."

"Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal."

"That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved."

"When you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules."

"Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength....It's all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, 'No.' This crowd is again a testament to it."

"You will have an illegitimate president, that's what you'll have. And we can't let that happen."

"We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe over the past several weeks. We've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election."

"We're going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity, they'll be ashamed. And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget."

Both LM and SR tell me that 5 people died in the riot as though that somehow is proof that Trump incited revolution. Quite how that logic follows is something that is left unexplained...I guess one needs a TDS filter to follow that logic if that's what you call it.

(BTW 5 people died....3 from heart attack, obviously Trump's fault; one shot in the face by some unknown 'defender' of the Congress; and one such 'defender' from causes the government refuses to divulge - when they hide stuff like that you know you're being played.)

(Oh and think of all those who 'almost' died. AOC tells her flying monkeys how she came within seconds of death from the rioters. That she wasn't even there is a mere unimportant detail.)

So I'm still waiting for one of the TDS crowd to show me the part of the speech where Trump tells people to invade Congress and overthrow the government. Crickets....

Oh, I see...he said "fight". And that can have only one meaning - literally physically fighting. It couldn't possibly have other meanings...nosireee.

One definition from Webster's dictionary of the word fight..."to put forth a determined effort"

But fear not, I'm sure the Ministry of Truth is working to retrospectively change that definition.

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In completely unrelated news, Anthony Albanese, talking of the upcoming election says it'll be a "battle" and a "fight". Obviously he's preparing to overthrow the government in a coup - there's no other possible meaning to those words./sarc off

SR,

You can't help yourself, once again you start with the insults.

"You whinged: "

This makes you sound as retarded as Greta Thunberg.

To actually deal with the issue, the Democrats have unilaterally removed a duly elected republican congresswoman from access to decision-making committees for comments made on Twitter well before she was elected and from which she has subsequently resiled and in doing so have set a dangerous precedent.

This particular congresswoman that you describe as "Batsht crazy" is no worse than some of the more extreme Democrat congresswomen such as AOC.

When the Republicans had control of the house in spite of some outrageous comments by members of the Democratic "squad", none were subjected to such sanctions. This partisan abuse of power has set a dangerous precedent which the Republicans are likely to use to beat the Democrats when they regain control of the congress.

As for some of the snippets of Trump's speech that you have quoted, none of them call for the storming of the Capitol building. The charge of incitement is yet another feeble kangaroo court.

The frailty of the Democrats case has been highlighted by:

-The need by the Democrats to edit evidence (this would normally get lawyers disbarred.)
- The need for the house democrats to exhort the senate to ignore 1st amendment rights
- The inability of the democrats to produce a single court case precedent to show that Trump's speech was even illegal.

The democrats are looking even more stupid and censorious than usual.

The Democrats are now in charge of the Department of Justice. If they really think that Trump was inciting an insurrection, why hasn't he been criminally charged? There is a convention that former presidents should not be charged for what they did in office, but it is just a convention, and a president inciting rebellion is also unprecedented. If Trump were found guilty, he would be in jail or even executed. Even if he were pardoned by a future Republican president, he could never run for office again due to the 14th Amendment.

I don't support a lot of what Trump did, especially with respect to the environment and the pandemic, but this impeachment reminds me of the show trials in the old Soviet Union. You are not responsible for what your more unhinged supporters may do when you rant about something.

Once again I find myself reading in disbelief, some of the comments putting Trump down.
First and foremost, this was a grand finale to one of the most unjustly attacked and vilified people, in the history of mankind, let alone a US President.
I must remind all you anti-Trumpers, that he did NOT incite anything.
The group of scum hiding within the shadows of the WEF, have been the force behind the relentless attacks and accusations and allegations, regarding EVERYTHING about him personally and his performance as POTUS.
No one has even mentioned the fact that the Democraps are the real guilty party here, and have always been so.
The stupid one eyed ideological and subjective foolish left, choose to purposely ignore some of the MANY riots and mayhem that the left have thrust on an unsuspecting and innocent public, that collectively amount to many, many more casualties and incalculable destruction of PRIVATE property, not Govt property, which belongs to the public anyway, if you want to think like a Democrap.
So before anyone even thinks about bagging Trump, think long and hard about what the left actually did, and very little if anything at all, was done about it, that would even come close to the punishment being suggested on the guys at capitol hill.
Has anyone heard anything about the suspicion that there were Dems amongst the rioters, and it was they who incited the people there.
What I saw on the video of the event were people casually and curiously walking up some stairs, (WHEN INSIDE) almost as if they were lost, until people started up, but most just held back, unless challenged physically by the police.
Otherwise it was nothing like the reports of the day.
Oh sure, there was vandalism, and some disgusting acts of urinating.
As usual, anything Trump has to be exaggerated to get any traction from the plebs.
All that matters is that the truth came through in the end, and now he can come back to continue "Making America Great Again"!

ALTRAV, well said.

ALTRAV

Well said.