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Impeach Trump! What are the benefits and costs? : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 12/1/2021

An impeachment that ends in a Senate conviction - the first president to be removed from office-will help re-establish limits for the future of democracy.

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What lunacy! The man has been voted out by fair means or foul. No wonder China thinks it can be Number One; America no longer deserves the position. Impeachment, imapricotment, it doesn't matter. America is now an embarrassment to the English speaking world.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 7:40:03 AM
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I think the impeachment process will be all about neutralising Trump's position in the last week and a half of his presidency and creating the circumstances under which he can be investigated and brought to trial on other charges when he has left office.

The Democrats will be out to make sure that Trump will never be able to run for president ever again.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 7:50:58 AM
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Impeachment will ensure this man can never ever stand again for public office! And restrict his ability to flee the country?

Meaning he can be arrested before he tries to flee? Given this man ha n escape plan?

Other than that, the authorities need to mobilise the home guard and reservists to beef up security in every state capital in preparation for the planned for, armed insurrection? And ought include snipers of every state capital rooftop!

As to the cost? Vastly overwhelmed by the cost of not taking these lunatics seriously and given they show up armed? Shoot to kill those in the lead of these neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremists?

After that, America needs a period of truth and reconciliation/healing! And good economic policies that relieve the economic pressure responsible for many of these folks going over the edge/ taking up arms against democratically elected administrations!?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 12 January 2021 11:41:00 AM
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Crap article expected from an academic who ought to get out of his left wing cocoon and look at evidence and reasons why Trump has strong support. Remember he was elected 4 years ago because Democrats endorsed a party hack (after an almost certainly rigged preselection vote) that many voters regarded as highly toxic. ie Something like "Killary Rotten Clinscum". Now we have Trump opponents claiming he really lost the election who are some combination of dishonest or brainwashed "sheep" trying to maintain it was fair while is enormous amounts of evidence of many types of fraud including some obvious big ones which favored Biden. The mainstream media and Google, Facebook and Twitter have been doing what they can to effectively campaign for Biden and try to censor and discredit lots of stuff coming from Trump. eg Adding comments such as "This claim about election fraud is disputed."
Look at the latest: Twitter announcing permanent closure of Trump's account along with those of some associates. Apparently he had 90 million followers. Undoubtedly millions of them plus more are dumping Twitter as a result and its share value has just dropped 12%. Meanwhile Trump sympathetic social media organizations are having enormous booms in new support.
Seems a major problem Trump has had is many people apparently support him but when it comes to being in a confrontation themselves, find all sorts of excuses to avoid it. Or after receiving abuse, too readily back off instead of continuing to fight. For a start, look at evidence of electoral law breaches and election fraud allegations that should have been dealt with by courts but judiciaries claimed procedural reasons, rather than lack of supposed merit for not hearing cases.

Regarding this proposed impeachment, probasbly even if successful, is unlikely to achieve much regarding hurting Trump, who just said something like "Bring it on". Remember he still holds Presidential powers for another week. Seems possibility he could invoke the Insurrection Act which maybe for a start would involve having his VP Pence arrested for facilitating Congressional approval of fraudulently gained Electoral College votes.
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 12:06:52 PM
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PeterC Firstly, despite what the Democrats and the main stream media falsely claim, President Donald Trump did not incite any violence in the Capitol, from his huge number of supporters. I also wonder just how many of the rioters/wreckers at the Capitol building were actually members of Antifa and also BLM, who infiltrated the Trump supporters.

Over many, many months I have read & followed extensively regarding the massive, massive electoral fraud perpetrated against the American people including the 76 million or so Republican/President Donald Trump supporters.

I have no doubt at all that this Election was a massive, massive fraud against the American people, President Donald Trump and the Republicans.

If this massive and very highly organised fraud is not exposed and reversed with President Donald Trump rightfully re-elected as President and continuing into his second four year term as President, then I do not expect that America and the West will recover.

I expect also that the most unreliable main stream media have or will lose thousands/millions more subscribers.

This partisan article is best suited to be printed amongst articles in the main stream media who have repeatedly been shown to be unreliable and best ignored.
Posted by PeterC, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 12:09:10 PM
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Dear PeterC,

Absolute cry baby stuff from you mate.

Trump got a less percentage of the popular vote the previous election, way less than Clinton, so where was your outrage then? Why wasn't that election a massive fraud? Not a peep from you I will wager.

I will tell you why, because your president won on that occasion despite him receiving millions of less votes.

Now, because he lost despite the blatant and widespread voter suppression by the Republicans, suddenly you see fraud in every nook and cranny.

What rubbish.

This absolutely toxic clown is out the door and you will just have to get over it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 2:52:04 PM
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Trump's been ousted that's all there's to it. What needs to be done now is to expose those who hounded him to no end & give them a dose of their own medicine !
Start draining that swamp again.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 5:43:51 PM
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PeterC Hi SteeleRedux & Individual, many thanks for your comments.

SteelRedux if as you claim…….. “ Trump got a less percentage of the popular vote the previous election, way less than Clinton “,…….. why didn’t the mainstream media shout this from the rooftops every five minutes as they have worked very, very, very hard for many years to help the fraudsters and cheaters while as well all the time working hard to damage President Donald Trump with any make believe or false charge or claim they could dream up.

Individual. I agree with you. President Donald Trump won easily but the cheaters/fraudsters were very wrongly awarded the Presidency. Having cheaters/fraudsters running the country is very, very, very bad and will very, very, very seriously damage the futures of all Americans and also the West.
Posted by PeterC, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 8:41:48 PM
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PeterC Hi SteeleRedux & Individual, many thanks for your comments.

SteelRedux if as you claim…….. “ Trump got a less percentage of the popular vote the previous election, way less than Clinton “,…….. why didn’t the mainstream media shout this from the rooftops every five minutes as they have worked very, very, very hard for many years to help the Democrats
while as well all the time working hard to damage President Donald Trump with any make believe or false charge or claim they could dream up.

Individual. I agree with you. President Donald Trump won easily but the Democrats were very wrongly awarded the Presidency. Having the Democrats running the country is very, very, very bad and will very, very, very seriously damage the futures of all Americans and also the West. The Democrats must not retain the Presidency and must also made to pay for their behaviour.
Posted by PeterC, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 9:00:54 PM
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Considering that any impeachment cannot remove Trump from office as it is virtually impossible to complete the impeachment process in Congress and complete the senate trial in less than a week. This means that this is yet another virtue signalling attempt by the Democrats.

Secondly Rob Cover and the other left whingers are all assuming that Trump after being impeached will then be convicted in the Senate. That the Senate trial will need 67 of the 100 Senators to convict him in a process that is clearly partisan the chances of this occurring are close to zero.

As Biden himself has commented, the last thing he wants is the senate locked in a long and fruitless trial while his administration is locked out due to the inability to get his cabinet confirmed.

The second thing that this symbolic tantrum will achieve is to trivialise the entire process to the equivalent of a slap on the wrist which will probably happen to Biden if the Republicans get control of the congress.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 4:34:28 AM
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shadyminister,

Trump is a cancer in American society and any treatment is better than no treatment at all.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 4:57:29 AM
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Mr uneducated,

Even if the treatment is ineffective, and the side effects are worse than the disease?

In 8 days Trump is gone anyway, he is unlikely to ever achieve public office again and I have outlined the negatives previously.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 6:07:37 AM
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shadyminister,

Therein lies the problem because he might be in a position to run for the presidency again and the Democrats are pulling out every card to stop this from ever happening.

PS You've got it wrong. I'm the educated one; you're the uneducated one. I'm the one with the Arts degrees to prove it, not you.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 6:21:43 AM
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Remember Trump still has a few days with Presidential powers. Also, he should have it well figured out who will stand by him. Has had a problem with "RINO's" especially. ie Republican In Name Only. Some would not help when expected of them, some 'lay down" when faced with confrontations and possible abuse against themselves and some effectively turned traitors. This was while trying to fight massive organized electoral fraud effectively supported by the mainstream media, Google, Twitter and Facebook. Including with considerable censorship of information they preferred not aired. Despite this Trump has an enormous amount of popular support compared with the alternative stooge being promoted, who would obviously only attract a fraction of the audience at rallies. Remember that despite many people not liking Trump for some reasons, they regard him as not as bad the alternative offering and also strongly oppose it getting into power using massive organized cheating.

The Democrats have been doing to do do all they can to try and damage Trump in the last days of his first term as President. Would not surprise me if he come up with ways of effectively hitting back hard. Probably at "last moment" to maybe limit what their damage control and further attacks can achieve. Most likely is currently considerable activity "behind the scenes."
Posted by mox, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 8:31:29 AM
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A Trump Impeachment now would merely extend/solidify the corrupt culture of the Left World-wide !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 8:48:32 AM
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individual,

Crap! You don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 9:20:52 AM
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PS And nobody has a damn clue what you are talking about.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 9:28:39 AM
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Dear PeterC,

In the 2016 election Trump received 62,984,828 votes to Hillary Clinton's 65,853,514. It should be noted that his tally was well under both of Obama's previous totals – 2008 69,498,516 and 2012 65,915,795.

The high turnout of the 2020 election saw Trump get 74,222,593 votes but significantly short of Biden's 81,281,502.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_candidates_by_number_of_votes_received

So when you claim “President Donald Trump won easily but the Democrats were very wrongly awarded the Presidency.” you are being a blithering idiot.

You also wrote “as well all the time working hard to damage President Donald Trump with any make believe or false charge or claim they could dream up”. What in the hell was the whole birther movement led by Trump and Fox all about then?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:31:28 AM
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The following indicates any Impeachment proceeding that extend AFTER TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE WON'T WORK.

Can "a former president...be impeached after he leaves office?

The Constitution itself answers this question clearly..."

More details/argument see http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9359&page=0#316158
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 14 January 2021 8:08:24 AM
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Peter C The fraudsters, baddies and marxists/communists won. God help America and the West.
Posted by PeterC, Thursday, 14 January 2021 10:42:21 AM
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The democrats have once again overplayed their hand by impeaching Trump without anywhere near sufficient proof.

In the face of the first amendment freedom of speech, the charge of incitement requires a direct call to commit a violent act, something that Trump clearly did not do. The claim that a call to fight for one's rights could foreseeably lead to the storming of the capital is a stretch never before applied and could see many of the democrats in Congress similarly indicted.

This has all the hallmarks of a show trial that will fail as did the first attempt with the major casualty being the Democrat credibility.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 18 January 2021 4:32:32 AM
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shiftyminister,

Looks like you haven't been keeping up with the news.

Most of those rioters who took part in Trump's Insurrection of January 6 are saying that that were following Trump's orders and expect him to pardon them because of that fact.

Well, he turned on them the next day and threw them under the bus so I guess it is only justise that they do likewise to him.

PS Do you like shiftyminister or do you still prefer shadyminister?

And BTW, the FBI has been asking where you were on the night of January 6.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 18 January 2021 7:59:02 AM
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Mr Uneducated,

I do keep up with the news, the issue is that incitement can only be judged on what a person says, not what someone thinks they meant which is a mistake that the rednecks and democrats seem to have in common.

PS. What would you prefer to be called?

Mr uneducated or Mr ignorant twat?
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 18 January 2021 10:17:22 AM
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Collective Trumpsters ttbn, moxi, Mopi, indi and S&M (aka shadowminister)

It is written:

SAD TRUMP DOESN’T EVEN FEEL LIKE THROWING DARTS AT SERVANTS ANYMORE

With time running out for departing US President Donald Trump White House staffers are reporting their usually perverted leader has lost some of his natural pep.

“He hasn’t thrown a dart at me in weeks,” stated leader of the White House Porters Ian Reinfold, who personally oversees the much needed cleaning of the Oval Office.

“Whenever we go in there to sweep away the daily Pop Tart casings and meatloaf centres, he will usually throw a dart at me or one of my staff but he’s just not in the mood lately. It’s really concerning.”

But dejected from his electoral defeat at the hands of the Democrats and Joe Biden, Reinfold states Mr Trump is too sad to reach into his golden briefcase and throw one of his steel darts at those who have to clean the mess that he now appears to be making more of on purpose.

“We’ve even tried to make the dart chucking more appealing. One of us dressed as a homeless person with a target on his chest"

"I even dressed as Nancy Pelosi and ran around yelling ‘Dart Me President Trump!’ and he still wouldn’t do it.”

“Donald just sat there at his desk and cried and cried

whipping his cheeks with a slice of pizza that he was eating at the same time.”

Reports http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/disheartened-donald-trump-doesnt-even-feel-like-pegging-darts-at-servants-anymore/
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 18 January 2021 10:24:10 AM
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plantagenet,

It's sad to see Donald Trump get himself into this state of mind.

They should put him on suicide watch and play videos of his inauguration in 2017, telling him that what he is watching happened yesterday and that it happened because someone ended up finding all of those votes that were stolen by the Democrats.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 18 January 2021 10:38:08 AM
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Peter C The article “ China aims to dominate the world “ https://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=21272&page=0 no doubt will seriously concern those who support Donald Trump, America and its good future and who recognise that without President Donald Trump there to stand against China then America and the world is in very deep trouble. Especially as Biden, Kamala Harris and others are already in China’s pocket together with the socialists, marxists, communists, fraudsters and as is often said “ useful idiots “ who very wrongly worked hard to steal the election and instal Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Posted by PeterC, Monday, 18 January 2021 12:07:14 PM
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Yes indeedy Mopi

Trump Bot also needs an overhaul cos of all that junk food he eats (Maccas, pizza, Hooters).

Junk food is clogging Trump's cogs, wiring and circuits. Not to mention rust.

Trump is full of shiitt.

SS Doctor Mengele bolted Trump Bot together badly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

In fact one of Mengele's major crimes was inflicting Trump Bot on the world.
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 18 January 2021 3:11:34 PM
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