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Australia-China relationship chills : Comments

By Murray Hunter, published 1/12/2020

Policymakers persist in US-centric orientation to their detriment

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Yuyutsu

You incriminate yourself by your inability to recognise your implication in Individuals subliminal comment on flushing out who the enemy is that we as Australians face, when, in this new anxious age we have entered together as a nation, you are exposed by your less than gormless response.

All Chinese are the enemy now; that is until all Chinese immigrants in Australia, are interrogated with the intention of exposing sleepers among them, who, as we are told repeatedly by media lashings of exaggeration maybe, that spies are hidden in their family groups and communities.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:55:18 PM
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The point being missed is that under the rules of the Central Kingdom
all overseas Chinese are Chinese citizens.
The modern Chinese government has also adopted that but quietly.
It does not want to scare the horses.
This can be seen when local Chinese get "leaned on" with remarks about
their parents or relatives.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:19:19 PM
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Dear Dan,

I honestly have no idea what Individual means in his "subliminal" comment. Most likely it is total and thoughtless nonsense, but I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I disagree with your view on Chinese immigrants: only members of the CCP need to be interrogated and kicked out of Australia if found to indeed share CCP beliefs. The vast majority of people are good and must be treated as such unless there is evidence to the contrary.

That said, even good people can be weak and subject to blackmail when their families are threatened: this is why anyone who still has family and/or assets in China should not be trusted with positions of responsibility or classified information... including white Australian-born!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:26:57 PM
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I, Yoshimichi Moriyama, sent a comment to Project Syndicate/Zhang Juan/A Tale of Two Cities/Nov. 23 and said, "The Chinese economy is in very bad shape."
I sent five comments to PS/Andrew Sheng and Xiao Geng/Division or Dialogue with China? and wrote, "Prof. Sheng and Prof. Geng are playing Chinese international politics and there is a rather well-known Chinese saying, 'Crying mutton and selling dog or he cries wine and sells vinegar.'" I would like readers here to read them.

Several years ago NHK, a Japanese ABC, reported that French pig raising industry was losing edge to imported Chinese pork. A middle-aged French woman said, "I will buy French pork though I have to pay extra," The woman's conduct was not what a rational consumer as an economic man was presupposed to do. But there is much wisdom and political necessity in it.

The Chinese have traditionally a very different world-view or what the world ought to be like. It is a counter-liberalist world-view and it is their instinct, cultivated and preserved for at least three thousand years, They cannot think of anything else and they do not feel the need to change it.
Their political nature has not changed but they live in a very different international environment. There has been no time in their history like now. They are hugely dependent on the outside world for subsistence and prosperity. This is their biggest weakness. Freedom-loving countries should do internationally, as the French woman said she would, desisting from the theory of free trade at least where China is concerned.
Posted by Michi, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:58:19 PM
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Care to explain?
Yuyutsu,
I'll put it more bluntly. There are many Australians who are a greater enemy to this Nation than any outsiders. People who aren't prepared to stand up for this Nation because excessive money is more important to them.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 5:01:35 AM
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Dear Individual,

Thank you for clarifying - I would otherwise have no clue what you mean.

Well, I don't believe that there are "many" Australians like that, only a few and this is quite different from saying "its people". The other day I wanted to buy a rope, I went to a cheap store and found that though they had quite a variety, about $5 each, not a single rope was not "made in China". So I went instead to a hardware store, found a suitable rope with seemingly no label, bought it for $20, but then when I arrived home, I discovered a very tiny label which I needed two pairs of magnifying glasses to read, saying "made in China under strict Australian specifications".

Secondly, I don't give a damn myself for the Australian "Nation" (or any other). I abhor all nationhood, but I care for the people I live around and for their freedom and that of everyone else, including in China, though sadly there is nothing I can do about the latter.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 6:08:25 AM
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