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Australia-China relationship chills : Comments

By Murray Hunter, published 1/12/2020

Policymakers persist in US-centric orientation to their detriment

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NO surprise. WE need this freefall to turn into a worldwide movement that hopefully put the CCP in its place.

IMO, humanity depends upon it. A world led by the CCP is a re-entry into the dark ages.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 8:40:01 AM
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Yeah. We have noticed. And, although Jackie Lambie is an idiot, we should boycott the whatever games, and China itself. What sensible people who understand what Communism is all about has happened. Stupid, greedy people still don't seem to get it. They have run, bleating to the WTO, that wonderful UN organisation that was complicit in getting China 'on board' and believing that the CCP would come good and act like everyone else.

We were doing fine before the surrender to Communist China. We now have to pay for the idiocy and greed of the politicians, ideologues and billionaires. It will be hard, because the nitwits still haven't got past the empty rhetoric about rebuilding our manufacturing and looking for optional markets for our goods; and the downsizing of the plonk industry which has been the final blow for little boy Birmingham, would do us no harm. Plenty of drunks in Australia and the rest of the world getting around in a daze to escape reality.

The biggest problem now is the idea that Australia has to mend fences with a vile bully instead of standing up to it, and putting all our energy into throwing off what has become an economic yoke and a massive danger to our sovereignty and freedoms
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 8:42:00 AM
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China the nation-state is more than just a bunch of old codgers in the Communist Party.

Is Australia the nation-state just a bunch of imbeciles in the Commonwealth? No.

Stop directing the blame at the CCP as if it exists independently of China the nation-state.

And keep in mind not to be offensive to former(?) affiliate of the CCP Gladys Liu MP.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 8:52:13 AM
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Matt Canavan, one of the few realist politicians left in Australia, says that we should get out of the "abusive relationship" with China.

The boofhead interviewing him exaggerated our exports to China from the actual 30% to 50%, but Canavan reminded him that 20 years ago there was no trade between Australia and China, and Australia was a "pretty good" place then.

That's the sort of leader we need
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:17:33 AM
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yes, I will be voting coalition because of China issue.

We need leaders that stand for important Western principles as we face the greatest crisis since the Second World War.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:35:19 AM
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Chris Lewis & ttbn,

Unfortunately the way things are going we might be invaded and overrun by the Chinese.

And keep in mind that the enemy is already inside the gate. And I don't think Soot and Dazza's gal are doing anything to keep the rest of them out.

At least Foxy, david f, Pseudo-Mouth and others in the pro-China camp will be happy.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:44:40 AM
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.... off Mr O, you talk bs
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:48:28 AM
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I recently heard an Australian ex-embassador to China say that the people for appeasing China are locked into a past China and leadership that no longer exists. President Xi is a different kettle of fish, and what once might have worked will not work with him. Xi wants total surrenders, nothing less.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:59:52 AM
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China by all reports has a major financial crisis in the offing.
No matter how it all goes at least we will not starve.
If I were government I would ask, or assist, the coal merchants who
have already been paid for the coal on board to refund the money and
recall the ships.
Place the cargoes on the spot market, the value is $au 700 million.
The high quality coal will produce a relatively good price and also
we can use it in our power stations.
We then have got rid of a poor customer and can then divert our iron ore
and coal in other directions.
One interesting proposal is steel works at each end of a railway
between Central Qld coal and the ore deposits in WA.
Then if China wants to buy the steel we can sell it FOB.
That's what you do to untrustworthy customers.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:25:03 AM
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There is a balance to be drawn between principle and self-interest. While Australia needs to show what it stands for, being at the front of the crowd abusing the Chinese is not a smart play given our economic dependence on China.

China's portrayal of Australian misbehaviour in Afghanistan is also not a sensible issue to grandstand on. Posting an insulting image of an Australian soldier on line is a far lesser crime than the murders of Afghans that Australia has admitted to.
Posted by Bren, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:25:54 AM
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A friend who was in business in the electronics field said to me many
years ago that in dealing with the Chinese it is absolutely essential
to have the paperwork tided up exactly otherwise they will use any
excuse to not pay or part pay. There is no trust or goodwill in dealing
with the Chinese. Obviously as Australia now finds it is not just
businessmen but government that adopts the Central Kingdom attitude.

I now would not now buy anything that is made in China.
I now will not now buy an electric car from China, it was $10,000 cheaper.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:40:13 AM
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"being at the front of the crowd abusing the Chinese is not a smart play given our economic dependence on China."

That's the sort of gutless, pathetic statement to encourage CCP thugs. And, nobody with any sense is shouting at 'Chinese'. Chinese people are treated worse than than anyone else by their own totalitarian government: imprisonment, murder, denial of the necessities of life if they step out of line. Our "economic dependence" on Communism is exaggerated and we must look for new trading partners.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:40:41 AM
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Do not agree.

All nations have the right to express an opinion.

Last thing we want is a climate where countries will shut, instead of calling a spade a spade.

Australia is an important liberal democracy and has every right to raise issues in a world where ideas and principles matter.

Enough of this cowardly talk.

I hope the Coalition continues to put principle before self-interest just because of short-term economic pain.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:45:35 AM
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There is a reason behind all these Chinese actions. Their exports are falling and they must avoid showing a balance of trade deficit. This must be avoided because otherwise they will lose face. The easiest way for them to do this is to play the media of the Western world by saying it is the attitude of other countries which are causing them to add tariffs etc.
Posted by Country girl, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:01:45 AM
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You've got to understand the timing of all this. It now seems likely that the US will be led by a man and a team that have been bought and paid for by the CCP.

China now has a free rein to do as it wishes, particularly in what it considers to be its own backyard. No more threats of tariff increases, no more confrontation, no more de-coupling China from the US economy, no more exodus of US business from China.

Indeed Xi was the big winner last month. And they can't wait to flex their muscle and take advantage of their foresight in buying off the 'big guy'.

This is just the start as far as Australia is concerned.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:30:47 AM
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And? We should respond with repeated broadcasts of the Tianimen square massacre. And intell about the Wigan "reeducation" camps. The annexing of Tibet and the bogus claims of sovereignty of huge swathes of the South China sea.

And hit all Chinese imports with a 200% tariff. And make a good start on resuscitating our manufacturing capacity all predicated on the world's cheapest, cleanest safest energy, MSR thorium. And reap a huge harvest of medical tourism, with the almost free byproduct of MSR thorium,i.e., miracle cancer cure alha particle, bismuth 213!

And given the locally invented single-stage steel smelting process use that and hydrogen to make not just green steel but the world's cheapest steel. And produce almost free hydrogen with the ability to crack the water molecule with MSR thorium!

The world's cheapest electricity also means the world's cheapest aluminium. And all the product materials that flow from that. Let's do all that instead of the bootlicking know tow China wants from us.OK?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:40:27 AM
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Anybody who believes tha China and the CCP is superior o an allegedly liberal democracy? Remains free to migrate or return there. We need to cancel some of the things the Chinese have purchased, land, businesses infrastructure, retrospectively!

I'm done with jelly back politicians know towing in our name! I agree with those who rightly claim we were doing all right in the fifties and sixties, before a few pulpit pounding political ideologues who can't lie straight in bed, sold the national soul for the equivalent of forty pieces of silver, to the CCP!

Time to end this charade and reverse back to what we once had and the economic paradigm that ushered in a period of unprecedented, post-war prosperity and made us not just the third wealthiest nation-state but a debt-free creditor one at that! And free if any commercial ties or agreements with China. The spot market bekons! Gas, wine, iron ore and coal, etc-etc! Smary Chrismiss and a chappy new shear, hic.
Alan B
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 1 December 2020 12:08:34 PM
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Country girl,

Doubt it. You obviously believe China does not have a planned economy and is subject to the vicissitudes of free market economies.

I think China is trying to provoke Australia into a conflict that goes beyond trade disputes.

I believe China covets Australia as a land bountiful in natural resources where it can transmigrate hundreds of millions of its people and extend its imperial ambitions.

Basically it will just hop over SE Asia and hit Australia in one massive blitzkrieg. It will all be over in a week.

Keep in mind Sydney is for all intents and purposes now a Chinese city. And the joke is that Soot and Dazza's gal want to keep filling it up with more cashed up Chinese.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 12:14:35 PM
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Ha Ha, this makes me laugh. LOL, actually.

This makes us white anti-Asian racists of the worst type, look pretty functional now.
How long have we been singing this song?
And thank God for the honesty of Jacqui Lambi. The vocal mp in question.

And this author has neglected to mention the part of Malaysian history which does not support his argument for the suck to China at any expense.
That one is the race riots of 1969. It’s estimated that six hundred Chinese were slaughtered in that one uprising against Chinese influence in Malaysian elections.

So if we follow the lead of Malaysia, when do we begin slaughtering Chinese in Australia over their blatant meddling in our politics: Especially the part where our own gutless mp’s were caught taking back handers from Chinese crooks, and all without the slightest consequence?

I’m highly suspicious with the latest crocodile tears from MP’s, with a sudden interest in deriding the Chinese. There is really nothing new under the sun shining now, than what has eventuated under the same sun which shone back in Hawke and Keatings days.

Australia has an urgent need to firstly deal with the over abundance of Chinese who have entered Australia, when those whining MP’’s now, we’re the same MP’s who opened the city gates wide for the entry of the Trojan horse.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 12:40:55 PM
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Soot: "I want an apology!. I demand an apology!"
Xi: 'Up yours Soot."

I think it's time that our MPs, including former(?) affiliate of the CCP Gladys Liu, get down on their hands and knees and start kowtowing to China.

Otherwise things are just going to get ugly.

OR

We could cancel the visas of all the Chinese in Australia and give them their marching orders. That way Soot can then turn to Xi and say "Up yours Xi."
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 3:12:24 PM
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I do believe, Murray, that your sympathies are with the enemy.

The western world fell in love with China because it was believed that the liberalisation of Chinese economics away from the insanities of socialism would inevitably lead to the liberalisation of the Chinese political system. That it did not happen can hardly be blamed on the west. The Chinese turned from being left wing totalitarians to right wing totalitarians of the worst kind. That's right, Murray, they are ferkin Nazis and you re sticking up for them, and blaming the deterioration in Australia/China relations on your own people.

It's a good thing you weren't around in 1939 or I suppose you would have blamed the deterioration of relations between Nazi Germany and the western world on Britain, France, Australia, and the USA.

I have often wondered what motivated the greatest Quislings and traitors of recent history and although greed is certainly a factor, probably the most enduring explanation is the need by traitors to feel that they are something different from the ordinary "deplorables" they claim to champion, but who they completely despise.

Central to this mindset is to take a contrary view on almost anything which the vast majority of their own people consider correct behaviour. So Murray, the PRC can claim ownership of an entire ocean and all of it's resources, and if Australia does not agree, then it is our fault that we are upsetting the Chinese. If China deliberately and with aforethought and malice released a plague upon the world, it is Australia's fault if we demand an independent inquiry, supported by the entire world, as to how this came about.

China seems to have declared a new cold war on YOUR country because we will not kowtow to totalitarians, Murray. Supporting the new Nazis will not win you any friends in your own country, outside of the bizarre specimens who think like you do.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 3:17:49 PM
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Well said, LEGO!

Australia-China relationship chills? How come it is not yet completely frozen?
There should be no cooperation with the enemy, that emerging terrible Nazi regime.

However, I am disappointed with Mr. Opinion: our only enemy is CCP-controlled China, not its poor victims, the Chinese people. Those Chinese who managed to flee to Australia under whatever visa, are our brothers and sisters and are individually worthy of respect unless proven otherwise (however, diligent care should be practiced to not allow them into high-security or control positions if they still have family or assets in China which might subject them to blackmail).
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 4:47:20 PM
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..our only enemy is CCP-controlled China, not its poor victims, the Chinese people.
Yuyutsu,
Australia has another enemy, its people !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 7:00:53 PM
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Dear Individual,

Care to explain?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:34:15 PM
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Yuyutsu

You incriminate yourself by your inability to recognise your implication in Individuals subliminal comment on flushing out who the enemy is that we as Australians face, when, in this new anxious age we have entered together as a nation, you are exposed by your less than gormless response.

All Chinese are the enemy now; that is until all Chinese immigrants in Australia, are interrogated with the intention of exposing sleepers among them, who, as we are told repeatedly by media lashings of exaggeration maybe, that spies are hidden in their family groups and communities.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:55:18 PM
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The point being missed is that under the rules of the Central Kingdom
all overseas Chinese are Chinese citizens.
The modern Chinese government has also adopted that but quietly.
It does not want to scare the horses.
This can be seen when local Chinese get "leaned on" with remarks about
their parents or relatives.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:19:19 PM
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Dear Dan,

I honestly have no idea what Individual means in his "subliminal" comment. Most likely it is total and thoughtless nonsense, but I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I disagree with your view on Chinese immigrants: only members of the CCP need to be interrogated and kicked out of Australia if found to indeed share CCP beliefs. The vast majority of people are good and must be treated as such unless there is evidence to the contrary.

That said, even good people can be weak and subject to blackmail when their families are threatened: this is why anyone who still has family and/or assets in China should not be trusted with positions of responsibility or classified information... including white Australian-born!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:26:57 PM
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I, Yoshimichi Moriyama, sent a comment to Project Syndicate/Zhang Juan/A Tale of Two Cities/Nov. 23 and said, "The Chinese economy is in very bad shape."
I sent five comments to PS/Andrew Sheng and Xiao Geng/Division or Dialogue with China? and wrote, "Prof. Sheng and Prof. Geng are playing Chinese international politics and there is a rather well-known Chinese saying, 'Crying mutton and selling dog or he cries wine and sells vinegar.'" I would like readers here to read them.

Several years ago NHK, a Japanese ABC, reported that French pig raising industry was losing edge to imported Chinese pork. A middle-aged French woman said, "I will buy French pork though I have to pay extra," The woman's conduct was not what a rational consumer as an economic man was presupposed to do. But there is much wisdom and political necessity in it.

The Chinese have traditionally a very different world-view or what the world ought to be like. It is a counter-liberalist world-view and it is their instinct, cultivated and preserved for at least three thousand years, They cannot think of anything else and they do not feel the need to change it.
Their political nature has not changed but they live in a very different international environment. There has been no time in their history like now. They are hugely dependent on the outside world for subsistence and prosperity. This is their biggest weakness. Freedom-loving countries should do internationally, as the French woman said she would, desisting from the theory of free trade at least where China is concerned.
Posted by Michi, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:58:19 PM
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Care to explain?
Yuyutsu,
I'll put it more bluntly. There are many Australians who are a greater enemy to this Nation than any outsiders. People who aren't prepared to stand up for this Nation because excessive money is more important to them.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 5:01:35 AM
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Dear Individual,

Thank you for clarifying - I would otherwise have no clue what you mean.

Well, I don't believe that there are "many" Australians like that, only a few and this is quite different from saying "its people". The other day I wanted to buy a rope, I went to a cheap store and found that though they had quite a variety, about $5 each, not a single rope was not "made in China". So I went instead to a hardware store, found a suitable rope with seemingly no label, bought it for $20, but then when I arrived home, I discovered a very tiny label which I needed two pairs of magnifying glasses to read, saying "made in China under strict Australian specifications".

Secondly, I don't give a damn myself for the Australian "Nation" (or any other). I abhor all nationhood, but I care for the people I live around and for their freedom and that of everyone else, including in China, though sadly there is nothing I can do about the latter.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 6:08:25 AM
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Yuyutsu

All Chinese in Australia are compromised by nature of the blackmail ability of the CCP to take reprisals against family members in China.

This has nothing to do with good and bad Chinese in Australia, and it has everything to do with why the enemy ethnic groups are and should be interned: Viz the Japanese internment camps in Australia during WW11.

Chinese in Australia simply cannot be trusted. They are a compromised group.
You have surely noticed the complaints against the Chinese persecution and harassment of Australian citizens in China. There is the example.
The Chinese are the world experts at locking people away, we should follow suit, by locking a few suspect Chinese away here in Australia.

As for your hyper-humanist views on nationhood, reality has it that Nations exist with border restrictions for good reasons. The main one being security and wellbeing of the home group.
The closer your views on this subject are to Nirvana, the more neurotic in reality they are.

And further on your humanist views and Chinese, our troops returning from the war in PNG in 1945, were too often horrified by the homebody element view of sympathy for the a Japanese; exactly like yours.
For your own sake, you need urgently to decide whose side of the war with China you are on. There is some good advice.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 6:42:52 AM
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That's right, Diver Dan. They even had a song which went "Good men are dying for bastards like you!"

For bastards and sell outs like Murray Hunter.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 7:00:08 AM
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Yuyutsu

You heart is in the right place but you need to face the reality of the situation.

The Chinese nation-state and the CCP are bound to each other in deep structures that one needs to be a scholar to understand.

The CCP is representative of the people and is supported by the people.

The entire nation-state is responsible, not just the State. The Chinese State is not void of the Chinese Society. It is a symbiosis.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 11:20:25 AM
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Could this be behind China's belligerent actions towards Australia:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/china-news-global-times-warns-australian-ships-in-south-china-sea-of-evil/b1c08569-ff40-4464-ba55-825f244b60ab

Is it an attempt to keep foreign navies out of the South China Sea?

Should Australia withdraw from joint naval exercises if it doesn't want to risk having its ships attacked by China?

So is China's warning an attempt to weaken resistance to Chinese expansionism in the Indo-Pacific region?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 12:01:01 PM
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MR O, why don't you answer your own questions.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 2:42:00 PM
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Chris Lewis,

How about this one:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/china-s-propaganda-newspaper-warns-australian-warships-not-to-enter-chinese-waters/ar-BB1bvKNs?ocid=msedgntp

Showing the Chinese Navy Choir singing:

C'mon Aussie C'mon C'mon
C'mon Aussie C'mon C'mon
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 3:12:28 PM
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Ok MR O, I will answer your own question because you appear largely incapable.

No, Australia should keep its warships there.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 3:49:12 PM
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Chris Lewis,

Good on ya mate! Let's join hands and sing

C'mon Aussie C'mon C'mon
C'mon Aussie C'mon C'mon

Sing up Foul-Mouth. Sing up Foxy. Sing up david f. You can't stay in the pro-China camp forever.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 4:24:31 PM
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MR O, when are you actually going to express your Arts prowess?

I have been waiting, waiting and waiting.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 4:38:23 PM
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China obviously does not want to do business with Australia, so we
should cancel all trade agreements and concentrate on the rest of the world.
Recall the coal ships, unload and sell to our power stations.
Nationalise the 50% of the Newcastle Coal Loader that a Chinese company owns.
This will not hurt as much as many believe. $90billion of our trade
with China is 9% of our GDP.
For our self respect sake we must pull the plug on China.

I believe China's attitude to other countries is racially based.
I have no personal experience of this but I have noticed most
Chinese owned companies have only Chinese employees.
I note that Bing Lee is an exception.
It maybe because of their lack of an alphabet and their language.

The attitude of the Chinese government to other countries is based
on racial superiority as expressed by the tradition of Tianxai.

Tianxia (Chinese: 天下) is a Chinese term for an ancient Chinese cultural concept that denoted either the entire geographical world or the metaphysical realm of mortals, and later became associated with political sovereignty. In ancient China, tianxia denoted the lands, space, and area divinely appointed to the Emperor by universal and well-defined principles of order. The center of this land was directly apportioned to the Imperial court, forming the center of a world view that centered on the Imperial court and went concentrically outward to major and minor officials and then the common citizens, tributary states, and finally ending with fringe "barbarians".

Sound familiar ?
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 6:24:08 PM
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Project Syndicate/Zhang Jun, A Tale of Two Chinese Cities, Nov 23, 2020:

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/shanghai-shenzhen-engines-of-china-development-by-zhang-jun-2020-11

Project Syndicate/Andrew Sheng and Xiao Geng, Division or Dialogue with China?, Nov 26, 2020

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/us-biden-demonize-china-dialogue-by-andrew-sheng-and-xiao-geng-202...

Yoshimichi Moriyama
Posted by Michi, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 7:25:13 PM
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MR O, when are you actually going to express your Arts prowess?
Chris lewis,
It never will ! I have the feeling it's someone with no sense whatsoever who just tries to derail debates !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 3 December 2020 6:54:22 AM
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Here's something interesting:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australia-and-us-to-build-advanced-missiles-to-deter-china/ar-BB1bzWQa

Talking about turning up the heat!

Also saw another news item from today where Biden is buying into the Australia-China conflict expressing support for Australia against Chinese aggression.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 3 December 2020 3:26:09 PM
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PS

Is this the New Cold War?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 3 December 2020 3:26:47 PM
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Anyone with any logic would have known ten years ago a new Cold War was looming.

What did you expect? The west to lie down and surrender?
Posted by Chris Lewis, Thursday, 3 December 2020 3:40:49 PM
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Chris Lewis,

I don't agree with you.

Most people do not have the knowledge and training or even time and temperament to work things out or allow they tend to their bias or prejudice to cloud their thinking.

Those in the pro-Cina camp like Foul-Mouth, Foxy and david f are in the latter category of people.

I think we're in for fun and games chasing reds from under beds.

I assume the centrality of a New Cold War will be all about containment of Chinese imperial expansionism.

Might get to see Foul-Mouth, Foxy and david f rendezousing with A North Korean sub off a secluded Australian beach in their effort to sneak out of the country and report to the CCP.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 3 December 2020 3:55:41 PM
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Have a look at this news item:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/perth-museum-changes-exhibit-after-chinese-consulate-complains/ar-BB1bAUXD

Then get down on your hands and knees and start kowtowing to China because you should now realise just how much control the Chinese have over your lives.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 4 December 2020 5:57:21 AM
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MR O, you are easily intimidated.

I read that article and thought, so what.

How about looking at the big picture and what is happening at the federal policy level, both here and in the USA. And then throw in India, Japan and other nations.

I am looking forward to reading your OLO piece where you can display your prowess.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Friday, 4 December 2020 10:09:30 AM
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Dear Dan,

«it has everything to do with why the enemy ethnic groups are and should be interned: Viz the Japanese internment camps in Australia during WW11.»

With such approach, Australia should have remained under full lockdown, nay nobody would even be allowed to leave their room within the same household while COVID exists.

We need a more reasonable, balanced approach and most importantly follow the Golden Rule: how would you like yourself and your family to be interned just because you happen to belong to some suspected group?

«Chinese in Australia simply cannot be trusted. They are a compromised group.»

Only a saint would not be compromised to one degree or another. We have seen "white" people compromised too by greed, even a white premier who sold his state to China. I even see myself compromised for not having checked well enough the label on that rope I bought. The temptation is big to buy cheaper Chinese produce or China-made items that are otherwise not available at all.

Just like in COVID, restrictions ought to be graduated and proportionate to the risk, so locking up all Chinese Australians would be too extreme and indeed detrimental because these people who are mostly good and productive Australian citizens (including doctors, nurses, contact-tracers and fire-fighters) would turn against Australia as a result of their incarceration.

Definitely, those of them who are still members of the CCP without a good excuse should be locked up and sent away.

For the others, it suffices to keep them away from sensitive jobs and information, and even then just as long as they still have relatives and/or assets in China.

«reality has it that Nations exist with border restrictions for good reasons. The main one being security and wellbeing of the home group.»

The security and wellbeing of the people who live in a given area/country, undoubtedly important, can also be achieved without identifying them as a "nation".

«you need urgently to decide whose side of the war with China you are on.»

I am on the side of Truth, Righteousness, God and all good people.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 4 December 2020 11:09:19 AM
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Here is a twist;
As a result of China's landing on the moon the Chinese
spokesmen are making noises about Tianixia the idea that all under
heaven owes tribute to the Emperor.
Gordon Chang, the writer suggests they are laying the groundwork to claim the moon.
They got away with Tibet, the South China Sea and the Philippine's Islands
so why not the moon ?
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2020 3:50:41 PM
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Bazz,

You're starting to think like Mr Opinion.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 4 December 2020 4:16:43 PM
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The writing is on the wall:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/china-hits-back-at-us-spy-chief-s-greatest-threat-to-freedom-claim/ar-BB1bCIgz?ocid=msedgntp

But The Forum's pro-China camp (Foul-Mouth, Foxy, david f, et al) keep telling us that I'm just a racist troll for singling the Chinese out as a threat.

Maybe we can send Foul-Mouth to China to get a letter from Xi promising peace in our time.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 5 December 2020 10:17:10 AM
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To Yuyutsu.

The internment of Japanese/Americans came about when one of the Japanese pilots who attacked Pearl Harbour was shot down and he crash landed his Zero fighter on a remote Hawaiin island. A Japanese/American couple gave him sanctuary and when one of the Islanders tried to contact the US authorities, the Japanese/American shot him dead.

It is reasonable to presume that most people of a particular ethnicity are loyal to their own people and culture. The Japanese intended to eventually invade Hawaii and they fuly expected the large japanese/American population to support their takeover.

The same happened in Europe. Throughout Europe there were large concentrations of ethnic Germans and Hitler expected them to support Germany when their countries were invaded by the Germans. My research suggests that the ethnic Germans did just that. These became the rulers of Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary while their sons joined the Wehrmacht. More sinister, they also became the executioners of the German 'action groups" who rounded up Jews and Gypsies and committed the mass executions.

After WW2, East European countries realised how dangerous there German ethnic groups were in their own countries and they either executed German men, women nd children, or they expelled them from their countries and sent them back to Germany. There is a youtube video showing the execution of German men, women and children, by lining them up, laying them down, at a roadside and running over them with a truck.

A bit of ethnic cleaning in time, saves nine.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 6 December 2020 7:31:35 AM
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One more step towards war with China:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/china-slams-australian-effort-to-develop-missile-as-potential-threat/ar-BB1bFEFq

No one seems to be taking Mr Opinion's 10 point plan to placate the Chinese very seriously.

Not even The Forum's pro-China camp is coming out in favour of it. Come on Foul-Mouth, Foxy, david f, et al lend a little support. It's all for a good cause.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 6 December 2020 5:40:10 PM
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LEGO,
I did not know about the zero fighter plane. The pilot was Shigenori Nishikaichi. He made an emergency landing on the island of O Niihau, where he was supposed to wait for a Japanese submarine. He was found out and captured by Hawaiian islanders. They tried to rob the pilot of the maps and codes. There lived on the island a couple of Japanese-Americans of Japanese ancestry. The husband asked them not to rob them because, as he said, they had no need for them. The Hawaiians locked the pilot in a hut. On December 13 they had a row and the pilot was killed by the islanders. The husband killed himself. The wife, Umeno, was arrested by the police or some agency. She was tried. She defended herself, saying that anybody should give medical aid and food to an injured person. She was found guilty of treason.

I would like you to know about the 442nd Infantry Regiment of the US Army during the Pacific War.

I would agree with you if you wanted to say that a country as a national community needs cultural or religious homogeniety or a same cultural or religious identity.

I, Yoshimichi Moriyama, sent a few comments on Project Syndicate/Gareth Evans/Australia's China Problem, Dec. 3 and Joschka Fischer/China Won 2020, Dec. 1.
Posted by Michi, Monday, 7 December 2020 11:21:02 PM
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