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The freedom and ethics of protest in a time of pandemic : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 8/9/2020

Some of the anxiety driving recent protests in Melbourne and Ballarat relates to reasonable personal and community concerns about the impact of sustained lockdown on work, business and social life.

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The media continues to report on violent clashes between police and anti-lockdown protesters in Melbourne…

Meanwhile, in Adelaide where I live, a peaceful and good-natured ‘Freedom’ demonstration was held on Saturday 5 September. Many people and families assembled in the Eastern parklands for speeches, and then strolled down North Terrace to Parliament House.

The police were in attendance, and calmly and politely escorted the march down North Terrace, which had been partially closed off to facilitate the large numbers in attendance. More speeches were given on the steps of Parliament House, including one by me. Everything was very well organised.

The media was there, but there was scant reporting of this peaceful and well-attended demonstration in Adelaide. See this amateur video of the march proceeding down North Terrace: https://www.bitchute.com/video/zXPX46OB9AZq/
Many, many people turned out for this march. This was a major community political event, but not reported by 'our ABC' or Channel Nine, even though I saw their cameras there.

Instead the media focus was on the police attacks on the protesters in Melbourne, and the media was prejudiced against the protesters. It’s an absolute disgrace what is happening in Victoria.

It’s the first time in my 60 years I’ve attended a public demonstration, and I was proud to be there. It was great to exercise this political freedom, as to be expected in our liberal democracy.

Time to take it back Australia.
Posted by ElizabethHart, Monday, 14 September 2020 1:55:31 PM
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'It’s the first time in my 60 years I’ve attended a public demonstration, and I was proud to be there. It was great to exercise this political freedom, as to be expected in our liberal democracy.'

thankyou Elizabeth for caring for future generations. The tide is turning ever so slowly. Hopefully Aussies won't settle for tyranny for much longer.
Posted by runner, Monday, 14 September 2020 3:00:30 PM
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Dear Dan,

«I cant imagine a situation where the event you describe above, IE choosing to sacrifice our total freedom (sic) to membership of the human tribe.»

Actually this happens in two stages: first the identification with our physical body and its limitations, then the acceptance of membership of the human tribe.

The first stage happens every time we are born/conceived.
The second usually occurs (except in the autism spectrum) during one's first year of life.

To be precise/pedantic, our freedom beforehand is not exactly total (there's a step before that), but it is vast, because at least we are not subject to the laws of physics when disembodied.

In a way this happens again every morning when we wake and thereby become subject again to our body's physical limitations.

«Are you Buddhist?»

No, I am Hindu by faith.

However, these understandings are shared by mystics of all religions.

«Yuyutsu, what world did we leave behind when we (all of us, in your view) agreed to join the constraints of membership of the human tribe, otherwise known as society?»

Firstly, the choice to "come" to this world by identifying with a human body, is private, not collective.

Different religions claim that we come from a variety of different worlds before and/or after our sojourn to earth, some (like heaven) freer than earth, others (like hell) even more restrictive. It is pointless to discuss because we (normally) have no memory of these worlds.

What does matter, is that we are here on earth (as a manner of speech) by choice.
When a baby is conceived, that is a biological process and not under our control, it has nothing to do with us until and unless we identify with that baby by saying "this is me!", "Let the pains and discomforts of this baby be my pains and discomforts, let the pleasures of this baby be my pleasures, may I not be comfortable unless this human body is comfortable".

[continued...]
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 14 September 2020 3:57:44 PM
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[...continued]

This is the "original sin" - the identification with a [human] body. All other sins follow when we try to satisfy the cravings of this body.
Christianity speaks of being IN this world, but not OF this world: this is an ideal to strive for - having a body but not identifying with it, not mistaking oneself with it.

«how far we may extend our free will to dominate others who disagree»

It is wrong to try to dominate others. It essentially sends them the message, "you are a body", which is a lie, which reinforces their own sinful mis-identification with their body, then bounces off and reinforces your own sin. You don't want to do this, but at times you may still act in self-defense to say, prevent others from infecting your body with a virus. While self-defense is acceptable (for those of us who are not yet saints), we must at least know the difference and act only in self-defense, never for dominance.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 14 September 2020 3:57:47 PM
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Yuyutsu

I’ll tone down my criticism of your beliefs Yuyutsu, to one of foreign.
In my Christian world belief system, dealing with death and afterlife are its main component.

I’m not familiar with any teaching on pre-existence, and nothing on the subject of reincarnation to my knowledge.

Thank you for some unexpected insight into your world, which will now make the possibility for what may appear to be rude responses from myself, less likely.

Let’s not call it an olive branch, but better understanding.

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 8:07:48 AM
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