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The freedom and ethics of protest in a time of pandemic : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 8/9/2020

Some of the anxiety driving recent protests in Melbourne and Ballarat relates to reasonable personal and community concerns about the impact of sustained lockdown on work, business and social life.

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The real reason Andrews did not want protests against his draconian marxist laws is because he knows that the ever growing majority that are against these totally useless lockdowns are normal everyday people. They are not the white/Australian hating marxist murderers like those he gave the go ahead to throw tantrums back in June. This marxist mob are well funded by the likes of Soros and google and are part of the putried swamp that Trump is finding is deeper and deeper. The 500 doctors who have put their promotions in jeopardy by telling Andrews of how useless and damaging the lockdowns are are not all 'conspiracy' theorist. In fact the Government bureaucrats have shown how incompetent and irrational they have acted. The tide is turning at last!
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 1:33:51 PM
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At first, everyone has freedom, total freedom.

Then some of us compromised: we wanted to identify with a [human] body. A human body has limitations: it cannot go through walls, it cannot fly, it only lives that long, it is adversely affected by germs and viruses, etc., so when we chose to identify with one, the fair price was to accept the human limitations as our own.

We could still be free from the dictates of other people. True, if we failed to do as they say, they could pierce our body with sharp or even deadly objects, but so also could other beasts. This is the way life is, this is nature - it would never occur to anyone to feel guilty, remorseful or morally-compromised when chased by a lion: "oh, I am so bad for running away and climbing this tree, why did I fail to surrender to this hungry lion?".

But then, some (most?) of us made a further compromise: to join a society and delegate our defense to certain individual(s) within it.

Now this comes with a heavy price in terms of freedom. We can no longer violate the orders of our appointed individuals with a clear conscience as we would when chased by a lion or even by a neighbouring human tribe. Violating their orders now means violating our own commitments.

So should our appointed individual(s) order us: "do not protest", we must not complain for we only have ourselves to blame!

Either obey and not protest, or revoke your delegation of power (first within your own heart, then tell it to all, loud and clear). If we choose the latter, we still might not be able to physically prevent them from harming us, but then the ethical issue disappears and we revert to the lion situation. Both choices are legitimate, but don't try to eat the cake and have it too!

Finally find an appropriate quote for the Bible in my next post.

Please stay safe from virus harm, for yourselves, for your families, for your beloved friends, NOT for your hardened sadistic rulers.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 2:12:38 AM
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[Judges 9:8-15]

8 One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

9 “But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’

10 “Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’

11 “But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’

12 “Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’

13 “But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’

14 “Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’

15 “The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!’
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 2:12:43 AM
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Posted by individual, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 2:34:36 AM
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Yuyutsu

What does all that clap-trap mean? It makes no sense.
Please explain in simple English.

individual
Yes mate, no mate three bags full mate.
We all know why Ari was there don't we.
In case you don't, he supports the protest and was rightly arrested. Don't worry about the correct paperwork.

The question to ask re the Victorian fiasco is, where is the Chinese influence in public display.
Now there is a sensible job for a journalist.

Be assured, the Chinese in Sydney are keeping a very low profile.
The only time this subject gets above the surface is when a trailer park girl snots one on a train or bus journey.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 7:36:03 AM
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Dear Daniel,

Yes, we seem to have a language problem.

You see, English is only my second language, so I never learned simple English, for most of my English was obtained from good literature and scripture, not from home: I'm afraid that during my early childhood I knew no word of English at all.

It is understandable that young children conceive adult-talk as clap-trap. All I can say to encourage you then, is what I was told in turn in my early years: "when you grow up you will understand".
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 1:32:33 PM
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