Yuyutsu

People are very sensitive on this site. Telling me to grow up is actually an admission of your failure to realise your own immaturity level.
I expected better of you.

Reiterating my above to you. I have a good grip of English, since it is my native language, but I struggled to understand the point you attempted to make in your post. That’s all.

But if it makes you happy to answer with a snide remark, you go for it.

Dan

Dear Dan,

Struggling to understand something is normal among adults as well, but assuming that whatever one fails to understand is clap-trap, is childish.

Now for my point:

No eating a cake and having it too!
No asking the state to protect us and accepting its rule while retaining our freedom to refuse its orders.

We are free by nature, but we lost some of this freedom by identifying with a human body.

Nevermind, we still had some freedom left, but then we lost even more of it by delegating our defense/security/protection to other people (the state and its authorities).

If indeed we rely on the state to provide us with security (against enemies, criminals, viruses, etc.), then we have no right to complain when the state takes its dues in the form of restrictions of all sorts, including on our ability to protest.

If we never delegated the care for our security to the state, or if we wish to revoke it, then we must rise and be clear about it: not a silly protest, "oh, this particular leader is not good enough, improve him or give me another", but make a clear statement: "My life is my own", then reclaim the responsibility for your protection, defense and well-being for yourself, come what may.

Yuyutsu.

Ok, we’ll go about it this way.
You advocate for not only freedom as a society, but an individuals total freedom from the bondage of society.

You claim this definition of freedom as a right of each individual. A right to be dispossessed of responsibility towards others as a consequence.
You are entirely your own boss, with no responsibility of allegiance towards King or Country.

As justification of your position on this stand, you offer your biblical quotes which refer to the trees, and their dismissal of any hierarchy attributable to an individual characteristic or particular asset deemed more important than similar other assets, held by other trees.

Now if you don’t understand what I say herein, then that should give you a glimmer of understanding as to my confusion with your logic. Nothing to do with childishness, and definitely accumulating itself as an argument under the heading of clap-trap.
IE:

absurd or nonsensical talk or ideas.

Dan

I wonder how many 'free speech' advocates would be in favour of being 'free to make a living via their own ability' , divorced from the society they so despise ?

Come’ on Yuyutsu.

I want to unravel your thinking on this.

Dan

Dear Dan,

Please have patience, I have not forgotten you, but I can be busy elsewhere and last night when I tried to respond I was over my post-quota.

I do not advocate for any freedom that we do not already have, only for recognising that we are inherently absolutely free. Our inherent freedom, which can never be taken away, includes not only freedom from the bondage of society but goes as far even as freedom from association with a body that is bound by the laws of physics.

How we play our freedom is then up to us alone.

If we are seen to not follow the dictates of a society, then that society might take some actions against us. This might be regardless whether or not we choose to bind ourselves to that society and society's actions might even externally look the same - but they are not:

If we choose to bind ourselves to a society, but then fail to obey its dictates, then this renders us criminals and society's actions, punishment.
However, if we do not choose such bondage, then the same actions could instead be either hunt-down, persecution or defense, but never punishment (even if the society in question tries to call it so for its internal propaganda).

This is as much as my time allows me to answer right now, so I shall continue later.