Foxy

I doubt having such a divisive figure who portrays hatred such as Langton will add to bringing parties together. We would be far better off with someone like Jacinta Price who is willing to face up to black on black violence/abuse which is at horrendous rates. The 'elite' only ever seem to feather their own nest.

Hi runner,

Prof. Marcia Langton was invited along with Prof. Calma
to convene a Senior Advisory Group to ensure that Indigenous
Australians are heard at all levels of government - local,
state and federal.

The government is committed to an Indigenous Voice. Whether
it gets enshrined in the Constitution, we'll have to wait and
see. Small steps for now. However, we should at least give this
a chance to work.

See you on another discussion.

For me this one has now run its course.

FOXY, one has to have an open mind to even consider these self serving stupid demands.
After keeping an open mind on this topic, since it reared it's ugly head, I have drawn conclusions, based on an open and unbiased mind.
Where-as it appears that you and the supporters of this totally erroneous and arrogant affront and attempt at a "status grab", is fostered and promoted by those with CLOSED MINDS, because someone has conceived this bogus plan, and all those who stand to gain from it are behind it.
What I don't understand is those who appear to support it simply because it makes them feel good and all warm and fuzzy inside, so when they look in the mirror, as they do quite frequently, and like what they see so much, they give it a kiss, and tell themselves how wonderful they are because they (think they) helped some pathetic cause or other.
VK3AUU, is probably one of the most productive and acceptable comments on the subject.
I believe that the Australian public will not vote for this scam by the greys.
Changing the constitution is a major and devisive move towards losing control of this country.
And FOXY before you plead another attempt at pushing the point, must I remind you that this is the way subversion begins, then a systematic and focused plan of gaining even more ground and rights, till they have control through measures put in place along the way.
You naively think you are helping them gain their "rightful place and representation in parliament".
BS, that's not the agenda, that's the veil and the virtue seeking story, so as to suck in people like yourself.
I know Australia is a big land mass but, between foreign ownership and the blacks, I am convinced we are losing ground.
As an aside, just look at what happened to Sydney and it's Chinese Mayor, he could not even speak English.
Now if any of you morons say I'm a racist, before you even think about typing any rebuttal, DON'T, I have just quoted a FACT!

Around the world there are many Indigenous, First Nations, Indian or Native peoples who have it, and have had it, very tough indeed.

Earlier I made mention of a group of Native Canadians, from a TV Doco I saw - but there are quite a wide variety of Canadian Indigenous people, including the Inuit. Many of them, and many American Indigenous, are still doing it tough. Per 'Google' it appears Indigenous Canadians do not own the reserves where some live - though very many live in Ontario. Those who have a certificate are considered Canadian citizens. The plight of many in the city is atrocious.

We may examine the plight of the West Papuans under Indonesia, the Tibetans under China, the Brazilian 'Indians' under Jair Bolsonaro, the Argentinian 'Indians' where much of the country seems held by 'Spanish' or maybe 'Portuguese' descendants. Or, the Malays in Singapore? The Rohingya in Myanmar and Bangladesh, the Yazidis, the Uyghurs in China ...

From Foxy's post on Page 17:

"Prof. Langton remains emphatic that the Voice must be enshrined
in the Constitution."

"We don't have a choice," she says. "If it is not enshrined in
the Constitution, another government will come along and say,
"I don't like the look of those Aborigines, let's get rid
of that. What we need in the Constitution is a simple, elegant
clause that recognizes the First Peoples and guarantees that
there will be a mechanism for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander people to have a say in the legislation that affects
their lives"."

I'm not sure it's so simple, but from a global perusal it might appear that Indigenous Australians may not have had such a bad deal - comparatively. However, I am still of the opinion that, irrespective of what other nations might be doing, we, in Oz can be bigger, more considerate, and can lift the game to ensure that every Indigenous Australian can feel they belong, can aspire to a constructive and fulfilling future, and can retain as much of their constructive 'culture' as may still be practiced in peace and harmony.

Saltpetre, you may feel a certain kind of empathy for the Aussie black fellas.
My advise is DON'T!
It is a well known fact that they are well catered for/to.
As for this farce of a pipe dream of seeking this imaginary special recognition in the constitution no less, well it can be part of the school curriculum, as they are deserving of no more, and even that is more than they are due.
The question I have, even if their story is told in schools, what is it about the blacks, (definitely not interested in the greys as they are irrelevant and the trouble makers behind this "status grab") that we are supposed to be beholding to them for?
They have done nothing of note, in fact I can't find ANYTHING to attribute any form of praise or worthwhile or special, either to themselves or the rest of the population.
All I keep hearing is that they seek a "voice" in parliament.
One that caters to their particular culture and heritage.
This is a nonsense, an absolute disgrace.
They attack, desecrate and generally abuse any white men of note who did good for this country and by extension, the blacks too, and after all that we have done for them, they expect to be enshrined in our constitution.
Arrogant to a fault, they are consistent at least.
This clown and his circus trying to push this joke through parliament must be brought to account, but for the fact that this country has more neuters and eunuchs then men with the stones to throw these charlatans (A most apt word to describe these people) out on the street instead of letting them voice their selfish and unjustified demands by allowing them to sully the great institution of our parliament.
NO! They must not be allowed to succeed in this egregious folly, as it is without justification and objective and sound reasoning.

Altrav et al, what people don't realise is that a "Voice to Parliament" will be, just a voice of the grey mob. The black mob will be no better off than they are now, being exploited by their fellows. People like Jacinta can't get a seat at the table because she is concerned about the fortunes of the blacks. The majority of the grey mob are doing all right out in the white community and still they are clamouring for more rights. We are being conned.

David