Joe,

This is happening in urban environments. It's happening all
over Australia. As Rosie Batty
and so many others can testify. Go visit any women's shelter in
any big city. It is an epidemic in this country. That's not
to say that all men are abusers, of course. But far too many
are.

None of us will ever know if this young man will rehabilitate
himself. Or if he's too far gone. The fact remains the judge
believed his remorse and was willing to give him a chance.
We can only hope for him and his son's sake.

I'm not betting one way or the other.

Just curious though Joe, what was your point in bringing this
up? Was the young man an Aboriginal - and only they commit
violence against women?

Just asking?

Loudmouth2, I'm sorry but even I can't stomach what I read in your link, and I thought I was used to this type of behaviour from my contact with those in the bush over the years.
I think I wanted to erase such visions from my mind, but after reading your link, it brought it all back, and in doing so added to my already heavily weighed negative opinion of such people.
And as for you Foxy, stop pedaling your rubbish, how many times do I have to remind you, you are not doing anyone any favours by trying to sugar coat these egregious demands.
The only reason anyone keeps blathering on about "having a conversation", is because they did not like what came off the previous conversation.
So they keep suggesting having a conversation as if it is the first one ever had, only the true agenda is to keep having a conversation till their demands are met, then, and only then will they stop demanding "a conversation".
The TRUTH is that many CONVERSATIONS have been had, and they are not satisfied with the outcomes, well T F BAD!
We are not stupid, we understand what is being said, (apparently you don't) and it might be a way forward for the greys, but it's no way forward for the blacks or whites.
BTW, we are not at a crossroad, we have been run off the road and hi-jacked and held for ransom at gunpoint, so stop continually posting stories that are supposed to make us feel as if we should comply or we are guilty of some serious social crime or in the minority.
As for those neuters and jelly brains who voted for the sexual irrelevants, I doubt they will be of any help this time, if it goes to a referendum.
This time we will see that a majority means "majority"!
I would hope that people are not all as blind and mis-guided as you.

Foxy, REALLY?

Why are you being oh so transparent?

Just asking?

The matter of the Voice to Parliament is something that
is not going to go away. The government is going to
decide the next step to be taken. And we shall have to
wait and see what that will be.

Just as people were unable to predict the outcome of
Marriage Equality in this country. We cannot predict
what the outcome will be for an Indigenous Voice to
Parliament.

The fact remains that our government is at the moment
considering the matter.

All we can do is wait and see what develops. If a
Referendum is called or a plebiscite is held - only
then we as voters shall be able to either vote on the
matter or not. Pro or against. In the meantime our personal
opinions on this forum don't really count for very much
at all. They are after all - just opinions. What will
matter is how we choose to use them when the time comes.
And in a democracy - its the majority who decides the outcome
as Marriage equality proved.

Foxy, fact check, you refuse to heel to the truth.
What have you got against the truth?
The truth is, that stupid decision was not a majority and you know it, and I'm not going to explain it to you once more, when I know full well you know the true numbers too, and it wasn't a majority.

I have come to a conclusion that I would not support a 'Voice' to the Parliament - not Federal, State or Territory - or Council, High Court, Local Court, football team or knitting circle. (However, an advisory group or groups, duly constituted with majority Oz-wide Indigenous constituency support, would be fine.)

Thus, I do not believe any addition or amendment to the Constitution should make any such inclusion - irrespective of arguments raised, lauded or shouted from the rooftops by Prof. Marcia Langton, the Prime Minister, Ken Wyatt MP, the Hon Anthony Albanese MP - or HRH Queen Elizabeth II, or the Archbishop of Canterbury, or Fred Flange.

Though, judging by some of the idiocy exhibited by and emanating from the Capitol Territory government (Territory, not Federal) I would expect that they, and the ACT populace in general, will support a Voice to every Aus government, Local Council and any other organisation they can get to share their delusion.

Joe,

It looks to me, from your link, that possibly the move to reduce incarceration rates has taken a dangerous direction - or just that some judges are bordering on some form of insanity or gross dereliction.

Whatever happened to the idea of training suitable 'offenders' on a form of 'communal farm', tending animals, growing food, dixie bashing, mucking-out the stables, and polishing the loo floors - and even learning some other useful pursuits like reading, writing, maths, or even mechanics, welding, plumbing, painting, and keeping out of mischief.

Somehow, discipline, personal responsibility, ethics, morals and a will to lift oneself out of the gutter has to be instilled - by Hell or High Water.
Conscription?
Anything should be better than jail or detention - or leaving them loose on an unsuspecting (or even suspecting) public.