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Without prejudice : Comments

By Bill Calcutt, published 29/6/2020

The global resurgence of the Black Lives Matter campaign reminds Australians of the ongoing disproportionate rate of incarceration of indigenous people in this country.

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I don't suppose we will get anyone writing about the Indian female Cambridge academic who tweeted 'White lives don't matter', confirmed her racism when she was called out, and had the university back her right to freedom of speech - for the Left only.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 29 June 2020 10:49:49 AM
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In handing down her findings, NSW Deputy Coroner Harriet Grahame said the over-representation of Indigenous people in prisons could be "accurately described" as a "national disgrace".
She then went further; in a blistering rebuke of systemic failures she had observed.
"Almost 30 years after the [Royal Commission], we have failed to appropriately reduce the shockingly disproportionate incarceration of Indigenous people, or to properly grapple with the underlying factors," she wrote.

The most common underlying factor is Aboriginals inability to obey the law.

DAVID
Posted by VK3AUU, Monday, 29 June 2020 11:16:59 AM
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Although I find the views on other topics of many of the posters here, repugnant, I have to concede that Black-on-Black violence is disproportionately high. As a consequence, incarceration of Indigenous people is unacceptably high.

So whose job is it to remedy this situation, if not (a) the people themselves, and (b) their leaders ? How is it anybody else's primary responsibility ?

No matter what unspeakably dreadful things may have happened in the past, they can't be un -happened. We build on the past, either a mountain of grievance, or a path around it.

The reality is though, that maybe a majority of Indigenous people are taking the second option: around half of all young Indigenous people - much more in the cities - are enrolling at some time or other at universities. That has been the case for around fifteen years now. Around three thousand graduate each year, making a total of around fifty thousand Indigenous university graduates. Anecdotally, very few of them seem to get into trouble with the law.

So perhaps, on the other hand, there is some sort of tenuous connection between marginality and incarceration.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 29 June 2020 11:18:48 AM
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Who knows? I wasn't here and the very first of the first Australians were driven ever southward by succeeding waves of new indigenous settlers. The most recent about 12-14,000 years ago when they brought their hunting dogs and fire sticks with them.

Moreover, this was not a peaceful place but many tribal wars, as some tribes engaged in wife hunting.

And these controlled with a level of domestic violence. Not assisted by the introduction of alcohol!

Much of the decimation was down to the introduction of diseases for which as elsewhere there was no natural immunity among native peoples.

Yes, there were massacres and none more evident than in Tasmania where the native population all but exterminated! As forced transportees fought for arable land/survival in a new and terrible, hostile land.

Other posters have highlighted the fact that to be incarcerated? One must first commit a jailable crime! And the deaths in custody may well be less than the women who are killed by violent partners. And again massively over-represented in aboriginal communities? And we need to exclude those who die of natural causes or at the hands of other prisoners.

What we need is a truth and reconciliation commission and a treaty. plus a long overdue and politically resisted, bill of rights.

Then a referendum for inclusion, equality etc-etc.

We cannot change history nor can we tolerate 3% of the population being a tail that wags the other 97% Or claim sovereignty that can not be substantiated by anything other than highly unreliable, oral and often highly exaggerated history. Nor as preferred by some shite stirring urban activists, reverse apartheid. And should alleged sovereignty exist only for the very first, first Australians?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 29 June 2020 12:20:33 PM
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Alan,

" .... the very first of the first Australians were driven ever southward by succeeding waves of new indigenous settlers. .... "

Why on earth do you think that ? The first arrivals would have had all sorts of advantages over any new-comers, and - given that they would have settled the country fairly comprehensively - would have greatly out-numbered them.

Yes, there might have been new groups which were incorporated into the existing populations, perhaps from the Torres Strait islands, or from the PNG mainland, most likely individual women traded between groups.

As for dogs, they were probably brought here in the last four thousand years or so by Austronesian sailors and traders. Check out Peter Bellwood's "The Austronesians".

Yes, by all means, there should be a comprehensive Truth Commission, with firm definitions of terms and thorough investigations of any claims. We all should know our collective history as thoroughly as possible.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Monday, 29 June 2020 12:34:19 PM
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NSW Deputy Coroner Harriet Grahame is party right when she said that the over-representation of Indigenous people in prisons could be "accurately described" as a "national disgrace". It is a national disgrace for aboriginal people, that despite getting double the welfare payments of anybody else, they are still so prone to violent and criminal behaviour.

Then she opined, "Almost 30 years after the [Royal Commission], we have failed to appropriately reduce the shockingly disproportionate incarceration of Indigenous people, or to properly grapple with the underlying factors,"

Isn't it funny how it is all up to the white guys to prevent aboriginal people from committing serious criminal behaviour? Sounds racist to me. But she is right in one aspect, other than low intelligence, the primary reason for aboriginal dysfunction is alcohol. Aboriginal people were once banned by law from drinking alcohol because the smart white administrators knew what would happen if aboriginal people were given the right to drink.

But goody two shoes like Harriet Grahame demanded that human rights must be applied to aborigines, so if aborigines wanted to drink alcohol, that was their human right. The seeds for tragedy and farce were sown. Now aboriginal people drink alcohol and it is destroying their communities.

People like Harriet Grahame never learn. They created the "underlying factors" with their insistence on a completely inappropriate "universal" moral ideal, and when the predicted mayhem eventuated, they then blame the people who tried to prevent the implementation of their wacky moral ideal in the first place.

Now we have the ludicrous situation of white teachers, administrators, and tradesmen working in aboriginal tribal areas being forbidden to drink alcohol while the tribes drunks go to Alice Springs or any other white town so that they can get shiit faced and make a nuisance of themselves.

The world has gone mad.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 29 June 2020 1:05:59 PM
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