The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > Without prejudice > Comments

Without prejudice : Comments

By Bill Calcutt, published 29/6/2020

The global resurgence of the Black Lives Matter campaign reminds Australians of the ongoing disproportionate rate of incarceration of indigenous people in this country.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 13
  7. 14
  8. 15
  9. Page 16
  10. 17
  11. 18
  12. 19
  13. ...
  14. 23
  15. 24
  16. 25
  17. All
I cannot imagine anyone after reading what the Uluru
Statement from the Heart was asking could find it
unreasonable. Or objectionable.
The mind boggles:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/what-is-the-uluru-statement-from-the-heart-20190523-p51qlj.html
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 6:19:27 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Loudmouth, in David's defence, may I please try to explain, as I too have trouble more often than not, in trying to make a point, and because of my lack of linguistic skills, I fail miserably.
It's probably easier if I used a familiar phrase or quote as an example.
I believe David's message was similar to the phrase; "all terrorists are Muslim, but not all Muslim's are terrorists".
That's my take on his message.
If it is otherwise, I might ask if he could clarify.
Foxy, YOU may not be capable of imagining anyone finding the Ayer's Rock Statement unreasonable or objectionable, well the mere fact that you have voiced your surprise, demonstrates that there clearly are those that find it objectionable and unreasonable.
I am but one of many more.
Apparently, common sense and reason does not exist in this demand for rights and privileges by one group over the rest of, (must I remind everyone about) the MAJORITY of Australians!
Every time I see this type of egregious attempt at self righteous, self serving, money/power grab, I make sure it is exposed for what it really is.
I am not afraid to say it and keep saying, THE BLACKS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT OR OFFERINGS OVER AND ABOVE THE REST OF THE POPULATION!
This, so called minister, and his band of thieves and blaggards, are determined to promote further division, violence and hatred towards the blacks.
People have been a witness to all the benefits and assistance thrown at them, only to be unjustly abused.
And still they push for more.
Enough, already!
The public has tolerated this BS for far too long and I predict trouble of the kind that will not end well for the blacks if this agenda is allowed to continue unchecked.
If they wish to make a statement, for the record or posterity as a gesture of goodwill and acceptance of the white fella and the overwhelming debt of gratitude they owe us, by all means, make a plaque and mount it on a stone monument somewhere, that's all!
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 7:31:56 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Foxy. The grey blacks are only interested in themselves. They couldn't give a stuff about what happens outside their own comfy world. If that were not so they would be marching to bring notice to the domestic violence in the black versus black community.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 8:13:42 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
ALTRAV,

From your posts it appears that you don't have
even the very basic understanding of what is
being discussed here.

It's about constitutional reform. That's what all
the delegates who came together in Uluru - made a
united call for. Constitutional reform.

They asked that all parties must now sit down together
and talk calmly and agree on a path forward.

You can't speak on behalf of all Australians.
Our government can on our behalf,
and they want to fix things. They want to find a rightful
place for Australia's original people.

They will decide how Indigenous Australians will be
recognised in the Constitution. They will show what
constitutional recognition means, and it will make possible -
a political voice, a fairer relationship and a renewed
appreciation of an ancient culture.

Our government will traverse law, history and culture to map
the path to change.

As all other nations around the world have done.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 8:27:48 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Foxy, really?
Are you standing for election?
I didn't know there was an election coming up.
Your last post was a marvel of satirical hogwash.
Why would anyone but those benefitting from this whole fiasco, even be interested?
Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question.
The govt is NOT fixing anything, they never do, and if they fall for this, yet another virtue signalling attack on this bunch of gutless, amoral and clearly not looking after the best interests of the majority, but pandering to the minorities.
AGAIN!
There is no justification for wanting to be recognised for ANYTHING!
If they are going to be reckognised then there are many more white fellas who are much more worthy of note, who were actual pioneers of this country.
Constitutionally, the blacks MUST be recognised as Australians, and as such are no more special or righteous than the rest of us.
If they believe they have special rights due to who they are, is NOT a reason for special treatment.
Let them have their cultural centres and places of worship, just like any other people on earth, but nothing to do with the constitution.
As for needing special recognition and how they are perceived in the constitution, etc, etc, are all irrelevant or moot points.
They MUST NOT be consecrated or singled out in the constitution, because there is absolutely NO GROUNDS for doing so.
Just because some arrogant, greedy, conniving and opportunistic snakes want to take advantage of a lay back, naive, indolent Australian public, only confirms the fact that this is an affront of extreme proportion and demonstrate, what an absolute gall
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 9:31:53 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
ALTRAV,

" THE BLACKS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT OR OFFERINGS OVER AND ABOVE THE REST OF THE POPULATION!"

Well, debates going on all over the place would suggest otherwise.

Nothing wrong with a simple, nothing fancy or provocative, addition to the Constitution - meaning it should not offer some special place, powers or entitlement to added 'rights' over and above that/those applying to all Australians.

Voice in Parliament (which smacks of Representation/Representative(s), ie MP(s)) is a much more worrisome (vexed) question.

Joe,

You seem to reject the idea that some remote communities are maintaining a closeness to cultural 'roots' (as far as is now achievable or generally supported within said community) not really evident in various 'camps', say around Darwin et al, and certainly not (from appearance) in what I have referred to as 'Urban' communities (terminology "bush" and "urban" gleaned from one of the link documents you provided some little while back on this thread).

I am without direct knowledge of any of this, but I did see some episodes of a documentary with Miriam Margolyes called "Almost Australian" presented on ABC TV. In this she visited some 'communities' and chatted with women and children there (no males present anywhere - except in one episode where she went with a father and son to their 180,000 or so square kilometre property ('3 Emus', or something like that) somewhere up north, NT I think, - which property the father's father had purchased with winnings from bets on a couple of big thoroughbred races).

I was impressed seeing Miriam interacting with the womenfolk at one or two communities north-west, I think, out of Alice Springs. In one segment the women had taken a bunch of kids out to a dry riverbed for games and to give the kids some introduction to the land and to some cultural practices and ideas. Nothing heavy, but very caring, low-key and made to be enjoyable and fun.
(TBC)
Posted by Saltpetre, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 2:15:12 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 13
  7. 14
  8. 15
  9. Page 16
  10. 17
  11. 18
  12. 19
  13. ...
  14. 23
  15. 24
  16. 25
  17. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy