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Don't be blind about the abundance and diversity of life on earth, nor be ignorant at how well they all fit together. Just outside of earth is a barren but beautiful lifeless space. The abundance and diversity of life so close of the desert of soace should wake up anyone paying attention. Life doesn't just happen. It isn't just inevitable. If all you do is pay attention you can discover that you were designed, crafted, and knit together. And that alone can give you a glimpse that God must be there. Even if you never see Him, He must be there. There's no other reasonable answer. Scientifically speaking God is the inspiring discovery when you see all of this and realize that you are not alone. From there what you can do is attempt to make sense of this or to go further, and try to find out for yourself and pray.

You can discover God exists through others. Again don't be blind. Take those blinders off. There are people that know God, from how He's saved them. From world wide the observations of angels. From experiences of answered prayers, and needs met. Those who know God, depended on Him, and searched for Him and found Him. That massive population is a resource for you. They can be a sign post, so that you know there must be God. But of course you have to take your blinders off and open your eyes. If nothing else look at the numbers before you pass them off as being unknowledgeable while you in your arrogant blindness say you see it all. Open your eyes man.

There is more, and if you are willing, you can learn. But you have to be willing first, and seek Him on your own.

Not_Now.Soon,

You find God because you have a religious view of the world. I do not find God because I do not have a religious view of the world.

There is nothing wrong with you seeking to explain your world through reference to a supernatural being. People have been doing this for millennia. For many early peoples there was no science only religion and astrology which both sought to explain and control nature and human action in terms of the supernatural and divine intervention.

Those of us who seek a scientific view of the world do not need a religious view of the world. We can work things out without the need for supernatural explanations. The interesting question is why do you and OzSpen reject scientific explanations of the world and favour religious explanations. I suppose the same could be asked of AGW and climate change denialists who also reject scientific explanations of the world in favour of explanations that have their roots in some form of neo-astrology.

When will you ever get the sequence correct, Mr Opinion?

<<You find God because you have a religious view of the world. I do not find God because I do not have a religious view of the world.>>

It's the other way round. I have a Christian world view since I, a rebel sinner, sought God, found Him and submitted my life to him through repentance and faith.

<<Those of us who seek a scientific view of the world do not need a religious view of the world. We can work things out without the need for supernatural explanations. The interesting question is why do you and OzSpen reject scientific explanations of the world and favour religious explanations.>>

I do not reject scientific explanations for scientific entities. I reject scientific attempts to explain the origin of the universe because they most often do not argue from scientific evidence but from presuppositions such as evolutionism.

Do you get it? I'm a Christian first and then see the world through God's lenses - a Christian world view.

OzSpen,

You were a "rebel sinner". Tell us more, tell us more! We don't mind hearing about your life of sin and debauchery. Most of us have been locked away in our anti-Wuhan Bat Soup Virus bubbles and are in need of a bit of excitement. And don't leave out or the naughty bits!

One cannot explain the origin of the Universe with science. One can only explain it using philosophy, which can show that the origin of the Universe cannot be found.

Or, if one has a religious view of the world like you, one can explain it by the existence of God. The religious world view says that God created the Universe. End of story as you would have us believe. Sorry OzSpen but I do not have a religious view of the world. Try it on some poor ignorant fool (I might suggest some names: Hasbeen, Shadow Minister, LOUDmouth, just to name a few.)

Not_Now.Soon: I hope you realise that the detailed observation and study of every single one of "wonders" that you listed (eg: your knee, body tissue, nerves etc) is what helps convince scientists that the theory of evolution is an accurate description of how life evolved on Earth.

What you need to provide to falsify evolution is an observation that is contrary to what it directly claims or contrary to any expected derived results that the theory entails.

For example, in loose terms one of the principles of the Theory of Evolution is that all the species that we observe on the planet today are related by the "tree of life*" where each branch is a speciation event. Where "speciation" means splitting of a single evolutionary lineage into two or more genetically independent lineages. So an excepted result of this theory is that all newer species should appear above the first appearance of any older species in the geological fossil records. Thus one of the potential many ways that you could disprove evolution is find an irregularity in the fossil record. For example, all you need do is find a fossil of a newer species (say any of the apes, the first of which evolved during the Niogene/Paleogene periods' boundary about 25million years ago) occurring before the layers of rock associated with first appearance of an older species (say the first appearance of the dinosaurs in the Triassic period about 240million years ago). But here's the thing: to date literally millions and millions and millions of fossils of all sort of species have been dug up and EVERY SINGLE TIME they have always been found in the geological order corresponding to the tree of life. In other words, we have gazillions of observations from the fossil record in correspondence with the Theory of Evolution and not a single a contradictory example.

(* Actually the Tree of Life refers to the species based on the more complicated life forms comprised of Eukaryotic cells, for the non-Eukaryotic forms the tree of life is more like an interconnected web due to horizontal gene transfer.)

in above:

"So an excepted result of this theory"

should obviously be

"So an expected result of this theory"