NNS,

<<You have it backwards that people believe in God because they have a religous view. Most people have a religous view, because they know God. (In some way or another). Chin up though mate. If you actually look for Him, I'm sure you can find Him. After all if I can find Him, then so can you.>>

That's exactly what the Scriptures exhort all people to do: 'Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him' (Hebrews 11:6), http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb+11%3A6&version=NIVUK

Not_Now.Soon and OzSpen,

God exists because you have a religious view of the world and God does not exist because I have a scientific view, void of religion, of the world.

Your view of the world is always only looking to the past for answers while the scientific view is also looking to the future for answers.

Eventually the scientific view will win out over the religious view. It's inevitable.

Dear NNS,

What twaddle.

This was my question; “Anyway it would be interesting to hear whom you exclude from the Christian group of true believers. Are Catholics Christian? Are Jehovahs Witnesses? Are Mormons? I consider them all part of the Christian family, do you?”

This was your answer; “I think I accept much more of Christianity as being part of my brothers and sisters in faith, then you do to accept all of Christians as one family. Clean up your own house before commenting on your neighbor's house.”

In what world do you think it complies with what you directed at me? “my comentary(sic) is that it would have been more direct and easier to just give your discription(sic) so that that was clear.”

Are Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses Christian in you eyes or not? Very simple.

SteeleRedux,

<<What twaddle.>>

There you go with another Ad Hominem fallacy against Not_Now.Soon.

You close down the basis of reasonable conversation when you engage in this fallacious reasoning.

When will you quit it and begin reasoning, based on the evidence from Not_Now.Soon?

Ha!

Opinion, don't make me laugh. You speak so much about other people's view, and no matter who you're talking about, you're always wrong. I'll say it again in case you weren't paying attention. You can find God. Take the blinders off, and open your eyes.

He exists regardless whether you view from from a train station, or from a library. Or see from a lighthouse or through a fog. He exists and is willing to show you so. But you have to actually care enough to seek Him. That's the deal, you actually have to try.

You can find God through giving Him a prayer. Ask Him if He's there, ask Him if He's real. Ask Him if He will help you find Him. Or just talk to him like you would a friend, tell Him about your day, your worries, your joys, what you're thankful for, and who you are concerned about. Just try to have a rapport with Him. One thing to ask Him is if He loves you. But of course this means to set aside the blinders and try.

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You can glimpse Him by scouting the world and paying attention. Have you not heard? He made it. Look at biology, anatomy, ecology, and be in awe by how any of it fits together. Before you crap out and say evolution did these things think at how well your knee works, be amazed at your blood being formed out of your bones and your immune system start there and be trained in your thalamus to learn what is part of you, and what must be foreign. Trained, I tell you, what an amazing concept is a new cell being trained on everything else your body has fought and won against, and to send the warning signal so it can beat the same sickness. Be grateful for your skin that not only keeps a protective layer between you and the outside world, but also is the thing that keeps you warm, and helps cool you off. Something so simple as your skin is how you feel, how you touch, with nerve receptors that can tell temperature, pressure, texture, and warn you with pain so you don't harm yourself. That's not even looking at the nerves as the high speed communication system of the body, or your hormones which are like the post office sending messages and packages slower but also packs a punch on what they say. All of these things don't explain conscienceness, and a wondering mind. Or about curiosity and free choice. All of this is just by looking at yourself and looking no further.

Move past that and look at any other creature, or critter. Even if it is only a plant instead of a bug, a bird, or a pet. The same way you are interconnected with different cells to organize into different tissues, which with a diverse set of those give a system of organs that do different things serve a different purpose, and absolutely did not occur out of happen stance and lucky chance.

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