Dear Ozpen,

Thank you for linking to a website whose author is also responsible for such works as;The Concept: A Critical and Honest Examination of God and Religion
http://www.amazon.com/Concept-Critical-Honest-Examination-Religion-ebook/dp/B004F9PA6G

One of the more disparaging reviews said; “The author's purpose is to recommend Christian Nontheism, a philosophy that retains what he admires about Christianity but jettisoning the supernatural or mythological aspects.”

Well there you go.

As to my admonishment to you to “For God's sake mate, cut the crap.” how on earth is that an attack on you? Mate if your arguments are that flimsy that you feel any attack on them is an attack on you personally then what are you doing posting to an opinion site?

The use of a bit of vernacular is perfectly acceptable in any discussion logical or otherwise. As Dante says the use of the vernacular tongue allows for the wider impact of knowledge.

What I was objecting to were your bad faith contentions, bad faith both figuratively and literally I'm afraid. You were abusing and misusing logical fallacies while at the same time arguing that I needed to step up to the mark. I clearly demonstrated what you were doing with examples. I have complied with all the rules of engaging in a logical discussion, most of which you have wilfully disregarded, therefore your admonishment had no basis at all.

And really mate, if you are that much of a snowflake you really can go and get stuffed. Stick that bit of vernacular where it fits.

//However, it does seem off to say disorder turning into order is included and acknowledged in the theory.//

//Therefore if there is something within the theory of entropy that acknowledges and allows an explanation for order out of disorder, I'm all ears.//

Hi NNS, nice to see you too. I think maybe some of the confusion you're having here is that you're only considering the 2nd law of thermodynamics in isolation, which isn't going to get you very far in making sense of thermodynamics. It's the 'second law'... if it was all you needed to explain thermodynamics, it would be just be the Law of Thermodynamics. There are four laws of thermodynamics, the first, second, third... and 'zeroth'. Physicists are weird.

Without getting bogged down in too much detail because I'm limited for space, it's only the second and third laws that have anything to say about entropy - the zeroth and first are about temperature and energy respectively. That's important, and it's important because those three variables - temperature, energy and entropy - are fundamentally related to one another. To the point that you can't really make any sense of entropy if you aren't considering in terms of it relations with other variables. If you want to understand entropy, you have to understand it in terms of how it relates to other variables. Not doing that would be like trying to solve mechanics problems without Newton's second law, force = mass x acceleration: you're going to run into problems.

The Gibbs free energy equation is a handy equation that very elegantly relates changes in energy, temperature and entropy, and allows to predict which processes will be spontaneous (and under what conditions) and which will be non-spontaneous. It can be derived mathematically from the laws of thermodynamics, and it has been thoroughly tested and not yet falsified. And it tells us that yes, under the right conditions entropy can indeed decrease. Here's a good video I found about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N1BxHgsoOw

Who would have thought that Dave Grohl knew so much about physical chemistry?

Ok Ozpen, so here's a question for you:

If a virus such as covid19 or HIV is god's justice and is some sort of punishment for those who sin. Then is it immoral/wrong for us human's to try to mitigate its effects or find a cure since we are actively acting to diminish the effect of god's intentions?

thinkabit,

God cannot harm us with the Wuhan virus because God is all-caring and as such would never act to harm us. That is what being all-caring is all about: God is prevented by His/Her own ontology from harming us. So the Wuhan virus definitely didn't come from God. Even OzSpen and NNS acknowledge that God is Good (even without adding the extra 'o').