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Why does the good God allow COVID-19? : Comments

By Spencer Gear, published 30/4/2020

Before COVID-19, how long has it been since you considered the shortness of life and the possibility of dying?

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OzSpen,

I just heard through the grapevine that you won't be going to Heaven.

Good luck with your search for salvation and the big fella said to tell you not to take it personally.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 4:06:43 PM
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Mr Opinion,

<<I just heard through the grapevine that you won't be going to Heaven.>>

Many grapevines (gossip) that I've heard about are as reliable as a couple of jute ropes trying to pull a sugar cane harvester.

Why didn't you get it directly from me?

Let me tell you why I know for sure I'm going to be heaven. Like the Philippian jailer who asked, 'What must I do to be saved?' Paul & Silas gave the answer: 'Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved' (Acts 16:31). I did that way back in 1962 and have served the Lord ever since.

He's not like a fairy-godmother but is the eternal, living, personal, Creator God with whom I have a relationship. I commune with Him every day.

This is my daily experience: 'For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain' (Philippians 1:21).

Where will you be one minute after your last breath? Please don't give me Bertrand Russell's answer, 'When I die, I rot'. You know you are more than flesh, blood & bone.
Posted by OzSpen, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 6:00:54 PM
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OzSpen,

You believe you are going to Heaven because you have a strong religious view of the world.

For me there is no heaven because I have a predominantly scientific view of the world and I do not hold any religious view of the world whatsoever.

For you God exists wholly because you have a mostly religious view of the world. God cannot exist for those who have a non-religious view of the world.

It is because I do not have a religious view of the world that I can tell you that you will not be going to Heaven.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 7:01:12 PM
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Dear NNS,

You are becoming as bad as Ozpen. You chide me for not being direct enough yet when I ask you a direct question you obfuscate and give a trite response which hardly provides an answer.

I will try again;

"... it would be interesting to hear whom you exclude from the Christian group of true believers. Are Catholics Christian? Are Jehovahs Witnesses? Are Mormons? I consider them all part of the Christian family, do you?"

Would you care to answer in the kind of direct fashion you are expecting of others.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 7:12:35 PM
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Mr Opinion,

<<You believe you are going to Heaven because you have a strong religious view of the world. For me there is no heaven because I have a predominantly scientific view of the world and I do not hold any religious view of the world whatsoever.>>

Why must you twist what I wrote at: Posted by OzSpen, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 6:00:54 PM? 'Strong religious views' have ZERO to do with my eternal life. I have received Jesus Christ into my life, as Acts 16:31 indicated, and have received eternal life. That new life started from the moment I responded to Jesus Christ.

<<For me there is no heaven because I have a predominantly scientific view of the world and I do not hold any religious view of the world whatsoever.>>

Could yours be a materialistic/naturalistic view of the world that excludes the supernatural? I affirm the scientific view of scientific entities.

<<For you God exists wholly because you have a mostly religious view of the world. God cannot exist for those who have a non-religious view of the world.>>

This is another Straw Man. I accept the FACT God exists based entirely on the evidence in the universe and the historical science of Jesus' life, death and resurrection.

You make many false assumptions about my world view and come to false conclusions. Why can't you listen to what I state and examine the evidence, instead of imposing your inventions on what I believe?

So far, you have not given me evidence that you read what I write accurately and do not impose your views on my narratives.

<<It is because I do not have a religious view of the world that I can tell you that you will not be going to Heaven.>>

What makes you think you are the sovereign god of the universe that enables you to make such absolutist statements?
Posted by OzSpen, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 7:39:26 PM
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Dear Ozpen,

You claimed "This is another Straw Man."

No it isn't. That isn't even close to what constitutes a straw man argument.

“A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. “
Wikipedia

Mr Opinion was directly answering the question you put to him which was “Where will you be one minute after your last breath?”

He was detailing why he was taking a different view from you. That is it.

Look mate, this is getting a little silly. You are using the logically fallacies incessantly with very little understanding on how to deploy them. You appear to be using them as a shield against any argument you are finding difficult to respond to rather than the very odd occasion where they may be appropriate.

Time to give them a rest.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 9:04:19 PM
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