askbucko,

You mentioned that you had a History and Politics background. I mentioned I also had an Arts background and invited you to touch base with me for a bit of a chinwag but you never got back to me. I hope you're not another Loudmouth.

askbucko, when did you draw the short straw & be told you were to try to defend the indefensible global warming scam by your local greeny mob?

I'd almost feel sorry for you, if you weren't a lefty.

There are a number of options on the table with reference to the annual bushfires which are bound to get worse as the climate heats up around the world. If it were the sun alone we would be now experiencing cooler conditions and advancing ice! And typical of the normal cyclical waning phase of the sun!

All those who fatuously claim this is just part of normal cycles cannot explain away why we are setting new record temperature highs during a normal cyclical waning phase of the sun but like AJ resort to verballing or worse straight out abuse?

So typical of those whose brain would still rattle in a thimble. And it's these folk who through the ballot box decide who leads and what decisions are made. And that is why the economy is saddled with record domestic and exponentially expanding record foreign debt.

All while our leaders on both sides have become totally immersed in petty partisan politicing and blame-shifting and during this emergency have done their best, I believe, to emulate Nero fiddling as Rome burned.

I mean the best they can do is dribble out a few handfuls of charity dollars and no long term strategy for either a hugely compromised environment of a debt-laden economy barely keeping its head above water as it treads water as the financial rip takes it out further. Elbow is trying to sound like a decisive statesman as he apportions blame etc and still jumping to the unions string-pulling and "labor's" prohibition on carbon-free nuclear energy!?

Their very best solutions have always been to pawn or sell some more of the national heritage, or the birthrights of our children!
Without question, it is the economy stupid and with that, as the compelling paramount imperative, there are abundant solutions that we could apply if only we had leadership!
Alan B.

As any parent would know, adolescents have a maddening way of arguing - they may seize on just one aspect of a discussion, trivialise it, and pretend that it's the only plank of someone else's argument. Paul is pretty good at this, which for an old person, is quite shameful. Leave that pissy tactic to the kids, Paul.

Like Arsebucko, whose gloss of Don's prescriptions, that " .... wishing that we would all just tidy up the scrub around our houses .... " is all Don and others has proposed, is a egregious example of this infantile approach. Clearly Don has proposed far more than " ... . wishing that we would all just tidy up the scrub around our houses .... "

But Arsebucko has no answer to the rest of what Don has been proposing, clearing, grazing, removal of old timber, cool-burning, fire-breaks, etc., etc.. and therefore has to resort to idiot remarks dressed up as non-arguments. Almost as village-idiotic as the inane comments of Misopinionated.

Joe

Don, the "Obvious evidence" is that the Garnaut report warned all you anti-science Dunning-Kruger retards that by 2020 we would see longer, hotter, drier fire seasons than we had ever witnessed before.

Your answer?

Special pleading to a lack of evidence about 1909? Really? That's just pathetic! Grow up, put your man pants on, and GO VISIT AN ACTUAL PHYSICS LAB and ask them to show you what CO2 does. Or you could just watch this 10 minute youtube that demonstrates the accuracy of climate models, or just the 1 minute section that SHOWS how CO2 traps heat. Watch the candle, it starts at 90 seconds in. Watch the candle at 90 seconds in! (1 minute) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Un69RMNSw

The sad part? I like some of your practical suggestions about Aussie bushfire planning and preparedness. I came here to discuss another few options I've got banging around in my head. YES to insurance and common-sense town planning and goat-filled grassy paddocks around properties in the bush. YES to maybe even asking some especially risk prone communities to admit defeat and leave, maybe with some taxpayer funded property purchases where the government buys some small town to return it to some kind of crown land or army base or something.

But NO to retarded anti-science climate denial when every National Academy of Science on the planet has verified it! It makes you sound utterly mad, like some tinfoil hat wearing flat-earther!

Max,

So you support many of the proposals of Don and some of the rest of us denier-retards ?

As or your suggestion that some towns should be abandoned and turned back into Crown Land, do you have the wits to understand that the same problems would still apply - how to reduce fuel, clear road-ways, allow grazing, etc., etc. ? That, regardless of whether areas are lived in or revert back to Crown Land, all of the issues would still be relevant ?

Humans are here. There will never be some sort of steady-state equilibrium in our bushlands and parks which will NOT need constant maintenance, regardless of how it is (or is not) used ?

Or do you have some childish religious notion that Mother Nature, our Earth Mother, Gaia, will work it all out, when clearly, a policy of 'leave it alone' has been largely responsible already for these disasters, prompted by well-meaning but Utopian and wrong-headed environmentalist policies ?

Joe