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Academic program on Western Civilisation : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 18/1/2019

University staff are openly liberal, and are likely to reject proposals that have such a conservative background.

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I certainly don't consider myself a God denier but neither am I a God confirmer until I get sufficient proof for one or the other. Going by history & present I find it difficult to believe that there is a God, particularly a benevolent one. Going by the religious hypocrites I encounter every day, I find God it difficult to believe that there is a benevolent God.
One thing is certain that if there is a God the religious crowd have something to worry about.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 19 January 2019 1:21:35 PM
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Individual,

So you are an agnostic like many people. However, I'm not sure that the behaviour of mortals - including the hypocrites you talk about - is any gauge of whether or not God exists.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 19 January 2019 3:08:37 PM
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I encounter Green hypocrites, religous hypocrites, gw hypocrites, god denying hypocrites, atheist hypocrites, agnostic hypocrites everyday. What does that prove? All are sinners maybe? Maybe just maybe Jesus was right. Christophobes only ever draw attention to failed followers of Christ while ignoring their own camp. Maybe a little liking for truth could help.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 19 January 2019 6:51:17 PM
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runner,
Why resort to such insipid terms as Christophobes ? I make it easy for you & describe myself as a Religiophobe because Christianity has nothing to do with my feelings toward a God or non God.
I see Christianity as no different to other religions, they’re all just a mechanism for control freaks. Rather than simply keep the superstitious on the straight & narrow so they can co-exist with whomever they happen to share part of this planet with, these megalomaniacs get their kicks from controlling others by dividing them..Why do so many Christians go to church on sundays when they were ripping people off during week & exploit every loophole to make more profit.
Why do we need hierarchies in Faiths ?
Why do religious leaders always roll in money ?
The reason I am somewhat sceptic about the claims made regarding God are because God is always portrayed as benevolent & the saviour/judge of the nasty & respectless movement calling itself humanity.
I’m having a lot of trouble why this creator has included illness & greed & lust yet despite all the hurdles thrown in front of us he is expecting us to stay on the path of righteousness. How many humans are not given to opportunity to abide because of the nasty people he included in his supposed creation.
If there is a God then I am wondering why he doesn’t end suffering to make it possible for people to have more faith & live accordingly.
the thing that makes me sceptical is that religion is very much like our Law. For me the “Trust me” whilst people are getting screwed, slogan has reached its use-by date.
Most of all though why does he tolerate so much misery & hypocrisy in his name ?
Posted by individual, Saturday, 19 January 2019 9:40:33 PM
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The article "Academic program on Western Civilisation" by Peter Bowden seems to my limited understanding to cross many political boundaries to such an extent that Dr Bowden appeared to be purposely obfuscating.

However there were some distinct messages- the Hippocratic Oath as applied to civilisation, the absolutist views of Kant, the preference for cultural diversity in civilisation, the importance of universal ethics in civilisation.

I question the validity of the authority of many of these assertions- and many appear to be contested by philosophers for tens or hundreds of years.

The mainly liberal view presented here by Dr Bowden appears to show his and the University institutional bias.

Interesting was the comment in the newspaper about financial influence when significant financial influence have supported the liberal movement for hundreds of years
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 20 January 2019 1:56:21 AM
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Regarding religion...

I've hear the term Secular Christian used over the last few years- it seems to have relevance to this discussion.

Sadly pedophiles are attracted to roles which have access to children- where ever they are- I'm sure it's going on right under our noses. At the same time our legitimate caution can become paranoia- child abuse is a difficult problem of contradictions.
Males traditionally are more sexually aggressive (and more aggressive) than females- so this carries over to pedophilia against male and female children. But you don't want to deny children access to male role models- this seems anecdotally to be occurring in schools (and in families). Perhaps the Catholic Church needs to consider this in it's priests marriage policies- but that is the internal decision of the organisation. Often pedophiles seem to target vulnerable children such as those with difficult family circumstances. I don't think anyone has good answers on this.

I think Jordan Petersen brings some new ideas to the discussion on religion and I value his insight- being from an engineering background I found his introspective view initially challenging. ie. Religious "Superstition" may have an introspectively valid basis. Religion seems to have strong links with culture.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 20 January 2019 2:31:30 AM
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