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Academic program on Western Civilisation : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 18/1/2019

University staff are openly liberal, and are likely to reject proposals that have such a conservative background.

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To Fester.

I don't think your reading my points as much as adding to them things I haven't said, and then assuming that version instead of what I actually said. I don't think you're doing this on purpose, but I want to tell you this so that you realize it and then are able to better read what I write.

I'm not presenting a case for a different system then western civilization. Instead I'm saying apply the principles from the teachings in the bible to our civilization. It's not a theocracy, it's still a democracy republic mix. But if the actual principles suggested are bad, harmful, or just not as good, then please point out how they are bad, harmful, or not as good as what we have going on now.

What specifically have I said that reminds you of Iranian morals police arresting and raping a young orphaned girl for alleged promiscuity before she was hanged. These things are about looking for a good responsible leader, not about arresting anyone who doesn't fit the bill.

(Many Christian perspectives point out that we all sin, and try to move in a direction of helping each other out of our sins or letting them go their own way and not associate with them anymore. The worst that that approach would do is add an element of isolating people like a form of ex-communication kind of thing by a community as a whole. That factor can be balanced by acknowledging a principle of the importance of redemption and reconciling each other. There is nothing that I know of from biblical principles that would lead to raping girls and then hanging them).

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 24 January 2019 4:36:34 AM
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Let me ask you a counter question, because it seems that many people here fear Christianity from being expressed or practiced openly. What is there to fear about Christians living up to the principles in their faith? Usually the only criticism I hear is how Christians don't live up to the principles, not any criticism for those who actually do live up to the principle, or critism of those principles. Which leads me to believe that there is no fault about those principles. Even your replies don't point out a fault. But instead misunderstand my points as if I am trying to replace western civilization with something else.

This is a sincere question. What is the fear of Christians living up to the principles in the bible? Because it seems like the rationale is to not let Christians act on their faith in politics, as if Christians are a threat to you and your country. I believe a term thrown around recently was something like christianphobia. But if you don't find fault in the actual principles then what is there to fear? I'm not say you must be Christian, but instead that these teachings are practical if we apply them. They are good because they help with the ongoing corruption and evil that is in us all. That makes them good for applying to western civilization, or really any other model of civilization.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 24 January 2019 4:39:00 AM
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To ALTRAV.

What you suggest to vote for "the other guy" instead of someone in the main parties sounds like a good idea to get the goal you've described. But personally I don't want to be part of the mess unless I actually approve of who I'm voting for. After the last election in the US, I've began to distrust the whole culture in the voting process. Better to get involved more outside of voting like writing letters to your representatives in parliament or congress or actively volunteering in some cause, then to waste a small vote that only really matters as a number. A vote that is only noticeable if it's a demographic that a politician wants to tap into. My only statement in it can be that if they want my vote they have to do better. If that idea grows into a demographic then it's possible that they will change to try and gather those lost votes. Even if it doesn't grow I can rest easier knowing I didn't contribute to something I don't agree with. (However that also means I can't complain because I didn't do any vote to change it).

Either way, I like your approach. I just don't think I can do it.

To individual.

Like Fester, I'd like to hear what you have to suggest as an alternative.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 24 January 2019 5:02:08 AM
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//What is the fear of Christians living up to the principles in the bible?//

Persecution of heretics, witches, soothsayers, Jews, etc. - i.e. peaceful law-abiding folk who do no harm, but who the Bible preaches are wicked and deserving of persecution. That is what we have to fear, NNS, and I believe based on the historical evidence that it is an entirely reasonable fear. Frankly, I believe that no amount of your waffling about how Christian's are really lovely people and no true Scotsman etc. will manage to convince me otherwise.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 24 January 2019 5:25:35 AM
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NNS, I understand your concern and can only agree.
My position is one of extreme frustration and anger at the thought that we, the people, are being had.
The scum-bags put on the biggest con when campaigning, then proceed to do whatever they like once elected.
I know that electing the independents is weakening the majors bases, but it's the only way I can see to stop the rot.
In my version of govt, I would expect a direct line of interaction with my particular polly.
Meaning when a bill is put up for debate he would contact ALL his constituents, by whatever means, email, text, whatever, and they would respond with THEIR/MY wish/wishes, which would be added to the response list on that particular bill and he would then vote according to the final tally, Yes or NO.
This is the only truly democratic method of seeing that the peoples 'actual' wishes were conveyed and adopted.
And not this pathetic attempt we use now, which is merely the use of smoke and mirrors to accommodate their lies and deception.
Posted by ALTRAV, Thursday, 24 January 2019 7:44:59 AM
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Not_now.soon,
sorry for the delay, I missed the question put to me by Fester,
As a straight-out answer as to what I believe would be the best scenario is a benevolent Dictator.
But, as the Leftists would never accept one, I believe it would be best to at least start on a solution to our present problems in society. The best star in my view would be to establish a non-militasry national service. Young unemployed people say from 18-21 should be required to work/participate in various sectors to experience work & hopefully acquire a sense of responsibility & respect that is linked to being employed. It could be made a small step up from Newstart for those who apply to participate without having to be asked. Over a period of say two years, they could work alongside Council workers, Hopital workers, aged care, soup kitchens, park clean-up gangs on so forth. As an incentive their unemployment benefit could be raised by $100/week against those who choose not to participate. It'd become evident very soon that people actually want to pursue employment IF an incentive is offered. The cost could be offset by minor levies from their communities. After all, they'd be the eventual benficiaries.
It'd give young people to opportunity to get out & see & learn from others. If Centrelink were to be kept out of this it can work. By the time of the completion of their service they'd be more than ready to enter the workforce with a better attitude/mentality. Those who actually approve of their service could be given priority to get apprenticeships in the Defence Force or Local Govt.etc.
They'd also make more informed voters & this would in turn bring our ill political system back on the road to recovery.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 24 January 2019 1:44:10 PM
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