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The miracle of Christmas : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 24/12/2018

The celebration of Christmas is based on a miracle; the incarnation of the Eternal Word of God as the man Jesus.

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Dear Is Mise,

My apologies for all the typos. I kept miss-spelling
the various words in the link. Hopefully it will work
this time:

http://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/12/12/cardinal-pell-top-advisor-pope-francis-found-guilty-historical-sexual-offenses
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 December 2018 10:18:37 AM
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Is Mise,

<<The Christian world view makes sense 365/anum, what doesn't make sense is that atheists celebrate Christmas and accept penalty rates when they have to work!>>

I agree that it is an oxymoron that atheists reject core Christian celebrations such as Christmas (birth of Jesus to a virgin) and Easter (Jesus' death, burial and resurrection), yet they don't reject penalty rates if they work over those holiday periods.

I guess that the response could be: 'We adhere to the laws of the land which require a certain % of penalty rates on public holidays'.

How do you understand that the Christian world view makes sense 24/7? What do you consider are core beliefs of a Christian world view?
Posted by OzSpen, Sunday, 30 December 2018 12:55:56 PM
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Dear Peter and Banjo,

«people like me, educated in the sciences, do not believe in miracles because their scientific education forbids them.»

«Now, like the Flying Dutchman, I am condemned, not to roam the seas as the legend has it, but to look reality squarely in the face for the rest of my life. There is no way I can escape it»

Forbidden? Condemned?

My heart pours out to you!

Yes, in the U.S.S.R faith was forbidden and condemned, so it is today in North Korea and so are the limitations on faith in many Muslim countries, but can it be so in Australia which prides itself on "freedom of belief"?

What can they do to you if you ignore and disobey the demands of science?

WHO IS YOUR MASTER? WHOM DO YOU FEAR?

The bible tells about false prophets in Deuteronomy 13:1-4:
"If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him."

Science is such a false prophet. It can indeed foretell certain things, but this does not give it any authority over your life.

Stop behaving like helpless victims: set yourself free, take the driver's seat and be the master of your mind, tell it what to think and what to believe, tell it to choose good over evil so it serves you in serving God.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 30 December 2018 1:45:13 PM
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Yuyutsu,

<<Stop behaving like helpless victims: set yourself free, take the driver's seat and be the master of your mind, tell it what to think and what to believe, tell it to choose good over evil so it serves you in serving God.>>

Try telling that to the alcoholic, ICE addict, paedophile, compulsive smoker or witch doctor committed to occult demonic manifestations!
Posted by OzSpen, Sunday, 30 December 2018 3:08:02 PM
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OzSpen,

"I guess that the response could be: 'We adhere to the laws of the land which require a certain % of penalty rates on public holiday"

There is no compulsion to accept penalty rates, one can opt out on conscience/ethical views; I have yet to meet an atheist wo has done so.
Ethics always comes a poor last to money.

A friend and I objected to compulsory contributions by employers to superannuation funds, we considered that pay rises would have been better.

Compulsory Super became law but when we were asked to sign on the dotted line, we refused because it was not compulsory for us to accept.

Consternation!!

But we were right and special provision had to be made to get us out of the system.

To be fair, I must admit that the amount of money was piddling as we knew that the company was close to shutting down.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 30 December 2018 4:07:54 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

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You wrote :

[ Dear Peter and Banjo,

“people like me, educated in the sciences, do not believe in miracles because their scientific education forbids them”

“Now, like the Flying Dutchman, I am condemned, not to roam the seas as the legend has it, but to look reality squarely in the face for the rest of my life. There is no way I can escape it”

Forbidden? Condemned?

Yes, in the U.S.S.R faith was forbidden and condemned … but can it be so in Australia which prides itself on "freedom of belief ? ]
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The sense of Peter’s “forbids” and of my “condemned” should be understood to mean as follows :

“to force into a specific state or activity (or inactivity)"

As, for example, in the following sentences :

His lack of education forbids him from being promoted to the rank of officer in the army.

His lack of education condemned him to a life of menial jobs.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Monday, 31 December 2018 10:21:55 AM
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