The PM is right about Islamic terrorism being the greatest threat to Australia (the entire West, actually), but it is the Prime Minister and the rest of the Australian political class who are responsible for fixing the mess THEY brought to Australia, not some Muslim 'community’ that might be supportive of terror for all we know. The only time you hear from this so-called community is when they claim victimhood.

“Firstly, "extremist" and "Islam" are two diametrically opposed concepts”. That is a lie. Islam is all about extremism in everything. Muhammad spent most of his time on jihad, raiding and looting for wealth, and murdering anyone who got in his way. The Koran is riddled with extremism and calls to enslave or kill infidels. The terrorists are the true face of Islam.

There is only one Islam and one Koran, which cannot be changed. Any “peace and compassion” applies to Muslims themselves, people who have converted, and dhimmis who have agreed to pay the tax and live in servitude and humiliation. The life of a Muslim is worth more than that of a Christian or a Jew. It's all there, in the Koran, for those not too lazy and apathetic to read it - the 'useful idiots’ and apologists for Islam.

The West is not succumbing to the “dumbing down of complex ideas”. It is succumbing to ignorance and to the lies of the real Islam.

Our irresponsible and dangerously inept political class needs to stop talking about some Muslim 'community, as though it is a normal part of Western society, and put a permanent stop to all Muslim immigration; round up Muslims on the 'watch list’, and deport them along with their families. There is no place for Islam in the West, and there never will be.

Rampant, out of control, population increase IS the greatest threat to this planet.
Islam or no Islam......

It's difficult getting around the streets these days with dead bodies of infidels stacked in shop-doorways and car park spaces. Most train passengers don't leave the carriage alive.

Claiming a large proportion of Muslims are potential terrorists or whatever is like claiming Christians largely behave like the Ku Klux Klan. Then remember that it seems only relatively recently that Muslim extremism has ben portrayed as a major problem. Look further and see how it has been beaten up. With the demise of communism and end of the Cold War, the military industrial complex of the US especially needed another perceived enemy so governments would continue spending enormous amounts of money on arms.

Also, there is strong support from some Jews especially elsewhere to prop up what under its present government amounts to the Criminal Apartheid Zionist Settler State in Occupied Palestine. Western powers have obviously long been giving covert support to Muslim extremists, largely via the Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam to help further their own agendas. Including to try and encourage Arabs in the Middle East to be divided and fight each other. This helps facilitate more Western control and economic domination of the area and reduces the threat to the state of Israel. While it is largely controlled by immigrant Zionist Jews regarding themselves as 'the chosen people', can only be maintained with considerable military assistance from the US especially.

"False Flag" atrocities covertly arranged to falsely blame someone and/or pursue an agenda have been carried out throughout history However, lately has been increasing awareness of them and availability of rapid means of spreading news and views that the mainstream media is not inclined to publish. Further regarding this, I have seen it claimed that every recent terrorist incident allegedly carried out by Muslims recently in the US has been a false flag to further anti Muslim agendas. Like some of the recent mass shootings on close examination of details have almost certainly been arranged by anti gun psychopaths to try and gain support for tougher gun laws.

In Australia now, is important to properly examine evidence or lack of it supporting anti Muslim claims. Much of it seems obviously ill informed beat ups

Yeah with over 400 muslims on the extreme list and many many more silenting supporting their sick ungodly theology nothing to see. Once the regressives claimed only to believe in what they see. Now evidence is in every city where muslims (especially from middle east)congregate but they still remain in denial.

In 2013, Queensland enacted Criminal Law (Criminal Organisations Disruption) Amendment Act 2013 to criminalise outlaw motorcycle gangs. These operate on Islamic petrol and Christian alcohol and are often hit by police radar. They have links to US congregations and Harley Davidson profits.

This article matches a reality I'm familiar with.

I say it again, its a low act picking off Muslim women in a shopping centre, for public humiliation.
Obviously Morrison is not in touch with this reality, and how his lack of support for the Muslim community, is highlighted by stoking anti Muslim sentimen in our communities.

If Muslim leaders spoke out against the harms made by extreemists, then that would go a long way to show them actually making an effort as is described in the article. If they went further and said they have issues to work with and to fix, that would be better.

Instead what we have are leaders who complain that they are included in the description of terrorists and extreemists. And we have Islamic terrorists and extremists.

If the Islamic presence was felt for the good it contributed instead of feared for the death it's caused then it would be a different sitution.

I feel sorry for Muslims that I've met that were good people as far as I could tell. Because as far as I can tell they could be the miniorities in Islam, or they could be the regular kind of Muslim. But their religous instutions have been silent too long. Or worse encouraged and celibrated when harm was done to critics of Islam, and reculent to let police do their jobs in Muslim communities. Those that are Muslim and good people haven't a leg to stand on, because of the harms done by fellow Muslims and the silence of the Muslim community to fix these horrors. It's worth feeling sorry for when they recieve the consquences that should be shared by the whole Muslim community and dealt with by the Muslim leaders.

Regardless, more should be done by the Muslim community. Instead of complaining that people are getting fed up with Islamic extremism, Islamic terrorism, and general unrest among Muslim communities, instead of complaining they should do something to clean up the mess.

Even just trying to clean it up and acknowledging the problems would go a long way, and help any hostility towards Muslims dissipate.

NNS

And how the Italians are dealing with the mafia connections, could we add that in. And how are the Chinese community are dealing with the criminal triad gangs, and their destructive drug importations in to this country?

This is the new world of multiculturalism, it's a fail on too many levels!

A very transparent smoke screen penned by Kuranda Sayit, written as usual, it the style of outraged innocence. If all the facts are against you, try emotionalism and outrage. You might fool somebody.

The only thing that PM Scott Morrison got wrong was to claim that terrorism was a product of "extreme Islam." That is exactly like saying that the holocaust genocide was only a product of "extreme" Nazism

Islamic terrorism is not caused by "extreme Islam". It is caused by just "Islam." The jihadis trying to gain entrance to heaven by murdering infidels are doing exactly what the Koran and their prophet has instructed them to do, and Kuranda Sayit knows it. His puff piece was written to pull the wool over the socialist globalists who just do not want to know that Islam is dangerous. Their entire groupthink ideology depends upon believing that all people and cultures are equal.

As for claiming that those wonderful imams are just doing their best to prevent terrorism, that is exactly like saying that der Fuhrer was doing his best to prevent the persecution of Jews. Anything bad that happened to the Jews was all was all done behind Hitler's back. The mullahs are doing their best Sargent Schultz impersonations from Hogan's Heroes. . "Terrorism? I see nothing, I hear nothing."

The imams and the mullahs are the problem. They are the only beneficiaries of this dangerous "religion" which seeks world domination through violence. It is kind of funny how they are squirming every time that somebody points out the very Koranic texts that directly advocate terrorism. For 1600 years nobody ever dared to challenged these evil men. But in the western world they now inhabit they have to justify and explain their terrorism advocating religious texts.

Naturally, all they can do is bluster or retreat into silence. They need lackeys like Kuranda Sayit to try and come up with some sort of argument to pretend that islam is a "religion" of peace, instead of what it really is, an ideology of violence, imperial conquest, superstition, and misogyny.

LEGO
Sadly , your true words are repeated by the Christian culture of Hitler's Europeans. Medieval Islam and Medieval Church were a good match . An Indian friend asked whether eating meat instead of chick peas and lentils made both religions attack vegetarian India. Canberra ordered young men to kill Vietnamese or jailed them for refusing. Now the same Vietcong are allies . Scomo would do it again, to commies , Muslims or Christians.

Kuranda,

<< … "Extremist" and "Islam" are two diametrically opposed concepts. To conflate these terms is an affront to the great world faith of Islam, which teaches peace and compassion towards our fellow human beings.>>

So Islam's extremist reputation is wrong because Islam teaches peace and compassion towards people? Is that right?

The Qur’an states:

Qur'an 5:33 [Yusuf Ali translation], ‘The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides….

So, those who wage war against Allah suffer execution, crucifixion, cutting off hands and feet. That’s a strange way to describe 'peace and compassion'.

Qur'an 8:12 [Yusuf Ali], ‘Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them’.

So Islamic 'peace and compassion' towards unbelievers is to have heads and finger tips smitten, i.e. cut off.

Qur'an 8:39 [Yusuf Ali], ‘Fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do’.

Qur'an 47:35 [Yusuf Ali], ‘Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds’.

Now try convincing me that at its core, Islam is a religion of peace and compassion.

The Qur'an disproves the thesis of your article.

What happened on September 11 2001 in the USA and on 13 November 2015 in Paris are at the core of Muhammad’s requirements for Muslims who are true to their faith - slaughter.

Diver Dan.

I don't see an issue with any of those examples. If your community had a gang problem, wouldn't you support programs that tried to keep kids out of gangs? It's the same idea regardless if your black, white, Chinese, Italian, Christian, Muslim, Taoist or even atheist. If something is wrong, to clean up your neighborhood, your community, or your culture. If you are a leader in a community to do so even more.

To nicknamenick.

If I remember correctly, I previously attempted to have a logical debate with you, only to have you resort to the unintelligible drivel that you seem to think is clever. So I told myself that I would not bother with you again. But since you appear to have dropped the Monty Python act in your last post, and appear to be asking halfway intelligent questions, I will try again. Not that I hold any hope that you really are capable of rational thinking.

If you had ever bothered to pick up a history book, you would find that Hitler despised Christianity because the philosophies expounded by the man that the Christians call "Jesus Christ" was entirely pacific. Hitler received a delegation of Muslim clerics in 1938 in Berlin, and he praised Islam as a "warriors religion."

Your example that Islam today and medieval Christianity were a good match is completely true. Your inference is that Christianity and Islam are therefore equal. That is complete balderdash. Christianity and Islam are entirely different religions. Christianity is based upon pacifism, while Islam is based upon unapologetically expanding Islam through violence and terror.

Christianity went bad because it became so powerful that nothing else mattered except the self aggrandizement of it's clergy. They imposed the strictest censorship in order to prevent ordinary people, and even the nobility, from understanding the basic pacifist tenets of their own religion.

Islam is completely different. It's God and His prophet make no bones about expanding Islam through violence and terrorism. It is right there in the Koran and the Hadiths for all to see. Ordinary Muslims are encouraged to read them and act upon the holy scriptures.

The most incredible thing is, that we have western people like yourself who are so ignorant that you refuse to accept that when a religion says it wants to either kill or enslave you, it really means it. You actually try to defend your self declared enemies, because you have been programmed by the pseudo intellectual caste you admire, to think it is the "intelligent" thing to do.

Amaaaazing.

LEGO
I wrote "..Christian culture of Hitler's Europeans. Medieval Islam and Medieval Church were a good match ."

The Catholic altar-boy Adolf copied the swastika from his child-hood church . "Hitler's Europeans" are not himself , they are the people of the military culture of 1600 years and who agreed with Hitler. "Church" is not the same as "Christianity" which is why I chose words carefully.

Anzacs killed thousands of Turks in their Islamic country (and Beersheba etc) compared with how many terrorist attacks in Oz , and church-people murdering in Oz? That is not defending Islam , it's showing how the 2 are matched.

//It's the same idea regardless if your black, white, Chinese, Italian, Christian, Muslim, Taoist or even atheist. If something is wrong, to clean up your neighborhood, your community, or your culture.//

I would advise people not to engage in reckless vigilantism; the police certainly don't appreciate it as much as you'd think they might, but more to the point, the road to intensive care is paved with good intentions.

Wandering into the clubhouse of an outlaw motorcycle gang and telling to jolly well pull their socks up and smarten their act up is likely not to have the desire effect, unless the desired effect is having seven kinds of crap kicked out of you. These are dangerous people we're talking about. Let the police deal with criminals; that's why we have police.

To insanenickname

Once again, a rambling and almost unintelligible post by you, simply making disjointed inferences. Try writing sentences with a subject and a predicate, that form paragraphs which comprise a logical train of thought.

Hitler may have copied the swastika from some Christian church symbol, who in turn copied it from Buddhism, so what point are you trying to make? If you are trying to say that National Socialism was therefore Christian, then you don't have a single, solitary clue about history at all. Please keep displaying your ignorance. There are probably some young lefties reading this, and it is people like yourself who make my job much easier when it comes to deprogramming them. They compare your mindless, disjointed blather with somebody like myself who can submit a reasoned argument, and they soon figure out which side is crazy, and which side is smart.

ANZACS may have killed thousands of Turks in their Islamic country. Your inference is that therefore Australians are terrorists more than Muslims. Rubbish. For 1500 years, Islam has did it's best to conquer Europe, and the Ottoman Empire was the last Islamic civilisation to try it. Islam was once a force only in what we call today Saudi Arabia, and it invaded and conquered the entire Middle East, which were mostly Christian countries. The Crusades and even the invasion of Turkey by Allied forces in WW1 can be seen as the pushback by Christendom against a civilisation which just happens to be it's self declared mortal enemy.

After the fall of the Berlin Wall and International Socialism, as well as it's close cousin, National Socialism, the world looked set to a new Age of Aquarius. But western leaders, comprised of the Woodstock generation, forgot that Islam was a civilisation that did not want peace with the West (or anybody not a Muslim) at all. Most Muslims believe that the reason why their civilisation is failing, is because they are not doing what their God instructs them to do. And that is of course, using violence and terrorism to make the whole world Muslim.

LEGO
You argue against words that you put in my mouth and can't read what I write. So be it.

Tony
On police handling criminals : there are examples where an imam himself is the focus. This would clean up an Islamic community and in fact mosques seem to be assisting police.
"A firebrand Islamic leader who urged young Muslims to become holy warriors and labelled Jews as pigs could face charges of incitement to violence.

Australian Federal Police are looking into DVDs featuring Sheik Feiz Mohammed, the leader of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool, in Sydney's west.

NSW Premier Morris Iemma today accused the sheik of inciting terrorism in the collection of DVDs, called the Death Series."

Toni

To insanenamenick

Then write in plain language instead of in inferences and reducto ad absurdum simplifications.

Try writing a paragraph saying what you believe, and why. If not, keep playing your stupid games until nobody takes you seriously at all.

There is no doubt that Islamic teachings or the Muslim book of religious teachings, is at odds with EVERYONE who is not Muslim.
Now in contrast, knowing some people who are Muslims, they have no intentions of harming anyone.
They are aware of what is being said about them and lament that they are caught up in all this madness.
He agreed with me that unfortunately, because those inclined to become terrorists, don't get around with a tag on the forehead or a 'T' shirt saying 'I'm a terrorist'.
If they did, we would stand a chance.
Another misguided fact is 9/11.
This had nothing to do with Muslims.
Think about it, then go over the 9/11 conspiracy videos and google and you will see more and more the finger points back to the same bastards who have started and financed wars before, created most of the US Presidents, and the list goes on, such as the list of banks owned and controlled by these dirty, filthy pigs.
No you can rest assured, it was not Bin Laden nor any Muslims.
These bastards set it up to make it look like it was.
I know you're wondering who it is, well you look it up.
Here's a hint, punch in who owns and runs the most banks in the world.

ALTRAV LOGIC.

Nazi terrorism has nothing to do with Nazis or Nazism. Most Nazis are moderate Nazis and rooly nice people, who have no intention of harming anyone. Only a tiny proportion of Nazis are extremists who should be considered reprehensible and dangerous. Moderate Nazis do not admire or support those extreme Nazis who lead them and actively fight for them on their behalf.

KKK terrorism has nothing to do with Ku Klux Klansmen or KKK ideology. Most KKK members are moderates and rooly nice people who have no intention of harming anyone. Only a tiny proportion KKK members are extremists who should be considered reprehensible and dangerous. Moderate KKK members do not support or admire extreme KKK members who lead them and actively fight for them on their behalf.

9/11 had nothing to do with Muslims.

Elvis is alive and well and owns a McDonald's franchise in Memphis, Tennessee.

The Venusians are living among us.

Dancing with the fairies at the bottom of ALTRAV's garden is so much fun.

The Islamic fairies in Iraq joined the Ku Klux Klan born-again McDonald munchers against IS . Rooly strange.

Quote: '... Islam, which teaches peace and compassion towards our fellow human beings."

Oh? Really? and what verses does the author provide to support this statement? None. Zero. Perhaps he may have noticed that Islamic societies are not exactly known for their "peace and compassion towards our fellow human beings" but reality and truth are concepts distant from all Islamic leader. The sad truth is that the Quran is full of verses that teach hate, discrimination and violence against non-Muslims.

Mr. Sehit's little piece of fantasy is a good reason to believe the comments by the PM, although those remarks are still far short of addressing the reality of the abusive, barbaric ideology that Mohammad inflicted upon the earth.

For 15 plus years I have been saying on this Forum that Islam is bad news and that letting Muslims into non-Islamic countries is madness. They come and they bring their hate and violence with them, and lies and deceit follow. They cannot be trusted because their values are those of Allah ("I will cast terror..." and MOhammad ("I am made victorious with terror...").

Bad times are coming.

Strangely enough , practically every Muslim country has been colonised by charitable Christian swords and bullets. Unbelieving pagans were shot, branded and enslaved in South America . Not all Aboriginals died , several have survived Church civilisation and godliness . I blame Allah.

"Dancing with the fairies at the bottom of ALTRAV's garden is so much fun."

But is it for the fairies?

meanwhile we had Mao and Stalin and millions of murdered unborn showing exactly where god deniers take people.

Lego, I'm not backing the terrorists.
I'm agreeing 100% on the current beliefs that Muslims are taught they are a superior bunch of people to everyone else who is NOT Muslim.
I'm only saying that there are those Muslims who don't like or agree with the teachings of the Quran.
I believe that there are Muslims who do not fully subscribe to the Quran and have tried to move away from the peer pressure and influence of it's doctrine.
As for 9/11, do not be so quick to dismiss the FACT that it was not a Muslim terrorist group responsible for it.
Look back in history, and embedded in the stories of old are the facts, which on the face of it, don't amount to much, but when put into context with other seemingly unrelated events, begin to form patterns which ultimately expose, not only the truth, but those behind the events in question.
To put it another way; if I wanted to cover up a wrong doing, I would go out of my way to create the scenarios to deflect attention or any trace which would link me to it, and because the system requires a perpetrator, you design the whole deception to implicate some one else.
As the flavour of the month at the time was Muslim terrorists and Bin Laden was dying anyway, he would have gained martyrdom for dying for the cause, so it was agreed he would take the fall for 9/11.
Too many questions and too few answers have left many people skeptical and rightly so.
If you are an inquisitive person, look into it, you will be surprised at what you find.
Remember, 'all is not what it seems'.

To ALTRAV.

Japanese people are very nice people. German people are very nice people. Russian people are very nice people. But if the leaders of those very nice people are totalitarians, and they order those very nice people to kill you and enslave your family for their collective good, then those very nice people will do just that.

Egypt is one of the most influential and populous Muslim countries, and in their last free election, 55% of the population voted for a Taliban type Islamic state. From what I understand, this proportion of absolute Muslim nut case fanatics is generally the same in every Islamic country. At least half, probably a lot more. Since Muslims number about 1.3 billion, that means there are approximately 700 million people on this planet who want to take your life, your property, and your daughters, if you don't bow to Islam. That is not a minority.

And that does not take into account those Muslims who generally agree with most of the dictates of Islam, but disagree on only one or two points. But like the German population in 1939, who my reading of history tells me did not want Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia and provoke another bad war, they will still go along with the nut cases's demands when push comes to shove.

So, it is time for you to decide who's side your on, and stop being an apologist for this enemy culture which has written texts declaring that you are their enemy. TIME magazine once reported that Saudi school textbooks tell their kids "All infidels are your enemy!"

Now, if you want to imply that 9/11 was all the doing of the Joos, go right ahead. What I am trying to do, is to deprogram those young lefties on this site who hold fashionable liberal views, but who are smart enough to begin figuring out that those who hold globalist, pro Islamic, pro LGTMTNCXR, pro minority, pro illegal immigration, etc. etc views, are loonies. And your little conspiracy theory about 9/11 is helping me a lot.

Keep up the good work.

"German people are very nice people. Russian people are very nice people. But if the leaders of those very nice people are totalitarians, and they order those very nice people to kill you and enslave your family for their collective good, then those very nice people will do just that."
Those Church people ( such as Orthodox Russians rehabilitated by Stalin) would do that. Germans did it to Australians twice . Which Islamic countries did it to Australia ( think East Timor battles)? Israeli terrorists bombed the British . Did Palestinians?

LEGO, I'm not apologising for these terrorists, only saying that those who migrated, did so to get away from the Quoran crap.
Every religion has it's 'bad' side, Christianity included, so I'm just highlighting the fact that even amongst their own there are those who want out, but unfortunately another of the sick facts of this sick cult is that you don't know what will happen to you or your family if you TRY to leave.
Pretty much like all other cults.
As for 9/11, I know what I know, if you have evidence to counter what I have found and for now will take as worthy of consideration, until I cite evidence to the contrary.
LEGO, I'm a proud man and do not wear fools so you can be assured that if I am preporting an untruth, then I would be grateful for guidance to THE truth.
Thus far I have not been presented with any credible scenario which would lead me away from the current facts on 9/11, and those who are truly responsible for it and many other atrocities in history.
One thing I have learned about them, they are very good at cover-ups, and 'paying' others to do their dirty work.
So getting to the truth, is not straight forward, but I am reminded of a saying; 'hiding in plain sight'.
That which I speak of is there for anyone to see.
It only takes an open mind to consider the inconceivable.

To ALTRAV.

You are aiding and abbetting your self declared sworn enemies who want to destroy your own civilisation, by continuing to perpetrate the easily refuted myth that most Muslims are "moderate," and only a minority are radicals.

Your claim that Muslims only came to Australia to get away from "Quoran crap" is an assertion not supported by reasoned argument. If 55% of the population of Egypt believe in the strictest interpretation of Islamic Sharia Law, then it is fair to say that 55% of the Muslim immigrants from Egypt to Australia hold exactly the same views. Unless you can provide a reasoned argument why only "moderate" Egyptian Muslims want to come to the West, I will continue to argue that the only reason why Muslims want to come to the west at all, is because of our social security system, our much greater economic opportunities, and to colonise an infidel country for Islam, suburb by suburb.

A "moderate" Muslim is not a Muslim at all. The Turkish PM of "moderate" Turkey, Recept Erdogan, has taken umbrage at the term "moderate Muslim", saying that such a description of Muslims is "very ugly"; and, "it is offensive and an insult to our religion". "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam, and that's that."

You are therefore guilty of "offending" Muslims under section 39C of the Racial Discrimination Act, ALTRAV, by even claiming that there are moderate and immoderate Muslims.

Please define what a "moderate" Muslim is, and what they believe.

Next, if you propose an absolutely preposterous conspiracy theory, then the onus is upon you to provide some credible proof. It is not upon the mainstream thinking detractors do so, unless whatever proof you provide has some credibility. And if you propose such a preposterous theory without any proof at all, most people would think that you are a loony and nothing you say will have any weight with them at all. That is the position you are in right now, with your "moderate" Muslim advocacy, and your bizarre 9/11 theory.

"offending" Muslims under section 39C of the Racial Discrimination Act, ALTRAV, by even claiming that there are moderate and immoderate Muslims. "
But if half Egypt is moderate then how will Erdogan be offended under Australia law? Joseph Goebbels gave effective lectures with your style . He took over the suburbs in France and Russia.

"... only saying that those who migrated, did so to get away from the Quoran crap."

Then why did they bring it with them?

Maybe ScoMo knows the following facts ...

Some facts to search for the causes of our problems
(software-translated, sorry, I did not have enough time)

Part 1
The shoe bomber was a Muslim.
The Beltway snipers were Muslims.
The Fort Hood killer was a Muslim.
The underwear bomber was a Muslim.
The U-S.S. Cole bombers were Muslims.
The train attackers in Madrid were Muslims.
The Bafi nightclub bombers were Muslims.
The London Subway bombers were Muslims.
The Moscow theater bombers were Muslims.
The Boston marathon bombers were Muslims.
The Pan-Am Flight 93 bombers were Muslims.
The Air France Entebbe kidnappers were Muslims.
The Iran Embassy hostage-takers were Muslims.
The assassins of the US embassy in Libya were Muslims.
The suicide bombers in Buenos Aires were Muslims.
The assassins at the US embassy in Kenya were Muslims.
The assassins on the Saudi Khobar Towers were Muslims.
The assassins against the US army in Beirut were Muslims.
The Beslan school offenders in Russia were Muslims.
The attackers of Bombay & Mumbai were Muslims.
The kidnappers of Achille Lauro were Muslims.
The assassins of September 11 were Muslims.
The assassins of the Russian plane were Muslims.
The Paris bombers were Muslims.
The Mali hotel bombers were Muslims.
The assassins in San Bernardino were Muslims.

Part 2(a)
Coexistence of Buddhists with Hindus = No problem.
...Hindus with Christians = No problem.
Hindus with Jews = No problem.
Christians with Shintos = No problem.
Shintos with Confucians = No problem.
Confucians with Bahai's = No problem.
Bahai's with Jews = No problem.
Jews with atheists = No problem.
atheists with Buddhists = No problem.
Buddhists with Sikhs = No problem.
Sikhs with Hindus = No problem.
Hindus with Bahai's = No problem.
Bahai's with Christians = No problem.
Christians with Jews = No problem.
Jews with Buddhists = No problem.
Buddhists with Shintos = No problem.
Shintos with atheists = No problem.
atheists with Confucians = No problem.
Confucians with Hindus = No problem.

Part 2(b)
Muslims with Hindus = problem.
Muslims with Buddhists = problem.
Muslims with Christians = problem.
Muslims with Jews = problem.
Muslims with Sikhs = problem.
Muslims with Bahai's = problem.
Muslims with Shintos = problem.
Muslims with atheists = problem.
MUSLIMS with MUSLIMS = Big problem.

Part (3a)
THIS LEADS TO THE FOLLOWING

They are not happy in Gaza.
They are not happy in Egypt.
They are not happy in Libya.
They are not happy in Morocco.
They are not happy in Iran.
They are not happy in Iraq.
They are not happy in Yemen.
They are not happy in Afghanistan.
They are not happy in Pakistan.
They are not happy in Syria.
They are not happy in Lebanon.
They are not happy in Nigeria.
They are not happy in Kenya.
They are not happy in Sudan.

Part 3(b)

BUT WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They are happy in Australia.
They are happy in England.
They are happy in Belgium.
They are happy in France.
They are happy in Italy.
They are happy in Germany.
They are happy in Sweden.
They are happy in Norway.
They are happy in Canada.
They are happy in the USA.

They are happy in practically all countries that are not Islamic countries! And to whom do they reproach?

Not Islam... Not their imans... Not themselves, but they blame the countries, in which they are happy!
And they want to change the countries in which they are happy so that they become like the countries, where they were unhappy!

sorry DTM for people who don't know a human with a penis is male and a vagina a female facts really don't matter. It never has been about facts for the marxist/feminist. They know that their death dogmas are so close to Islam. They both use each other as useful idiots.

Guys, guys, take it easy.
I never use words like 'moderate Muslims'.
I agree with 'standing orders'.
My one and only reference was to, and about, 'a' Muslim guy and HIS reasons for coming here, and why it was futile, because Islam does not allow you to leave.
They push this agenda rigidly.
It's what I call a form of 'virtue shaming'.
I am the first to criticise such a sick moronic cult, so please don't anyone think otherwise about such a ridiculous suggestion that I might in any way be anything but pissed off with these morons who are so stupid and display the intelligence and maturity of the very animals they handle on a daily basis.
What I find hard to swallow is, the ones who are educated, with degrees and executive positions in high places.
I am left with the conundrum that if he is truly so intelligent, how can he not see the flaws and the BS of the Koran?
And so I come away with a sense of skepticism whenever I deal with such a person.
I try to imagine that even though, as it has been pointed out, one cannot be a 'moderate' Muslim, that there are some who cannot openly 'come out' and denounce Islam, for fear of reprisals, so they 'play along', and avoid any situations that will cause them discomfort, or else they just 'suck it up' and move on.
Which ever way you look at it, Islam is a disease and it's spreading quicker than I care to concede.
For the 'goody two shoes' out there who promote open borders, I think they should reflect on the past and realise that the world is being slowly overtaken by this disease and it will be impossible to eradicate it once it reaches critical mass.
Gone are the days of the classic war, this is the face of the new war.
A Muslim arse hole of some standing actually said they will take over the world without one shot being fired.
I've got news for him and his scum.

So this is the level of debate that the forum has now
sunk.

I would have thought that we could do better than this.

'What I find hard to swallow is, the ones who are educated, with degrees and executive positions in high places.
I am left with the conundrum that if he is truly so intelligent, how can he not see the flaws and the BS of the Koran? '

Altrav
Same could be said for feminism/marxism, evolution and communismn. They are all irrational sick ideologies with a tiny pseudo science thrown in.

Foxy, better than what?
The comments are topical, (for a change).
If you dis-agree with the sentiments described here, that's OK, I merely ask why?
The title is very clear, and so far the comments are on topic.
The fact that this topic engenders negative emotions and comments is quite acceptable.
I believe you have some comments to the contrary.
Could we persuade you to impart these comments upon us so we may engage in a more positive narrative.
Runner, I believe you may be right, why not set up a new post on it.

Hi Foxy, long time no see. Have you been hiding pout on New Matilda, where anybody who submits a contrary view to the prevailing left wing orthodoxy gets summarily banned?

I know what level of "debate" you want. It would be the sort of "debates" and panel discussions we see on the unbiased ABC. A couple of moderate trendy lefties "debating" against a couple of absolutely crazy lefties, and both sides eventually agreeing that climate change is real, there should be open borders, the white race is the worst race on Earth because they are all racists, minorities are all oppressed by white people, right wingers are just awful, and Trump is the earthly incarnation of Satan.

Of course, you could stay around and cross swords with us right wingers on OLO, but I doubt if you will do that. In any point to counterpoint debate on any contemporary issue, we will wipe the floor with you with reason and logic, as we have done so many times before. Your only hope is to stand up on your soapbox in front of a chorus of singing angels, and pretend that you and your comrades are the font of all human virtue. But people are wising up to your endless evangelical puritanical preaching, and to your default position of endless virtue signaling.

Better to just do a hit and run. Make some sneery remark about the standard of debate here on OLO and then run out of the arena, hurling brickbats as you run away.

Onya ttbn.

LEGO, just for the record, are you satisfied as to my position on Muslims.
I want to make sure we're clear, because I'm sure, your attack has left some people thinking I am a Muslim sympathiser.
This absolutely not the case.
I thought my comments were clear, but it seems somewhere between writing and reading they have been misconstrued to say something other than what was intended.
I ask for your response in particular as you were quite animated in your comments against me, because unfortunately, it seems you were on a completely different tack.
Anyway glad someone is still reading me.
Carry on the good work, I shall be following your comments with interest as usual.

LEGO,

Thanks for proving my point with your post.

You must be very popular at the local pub.

To Foxy

We know we have you lefties on the run when all you can do is toss sneery one liners instead of engaging in debate.

I don't want to be too hard on you, I used to be a trendy lefty myself. But I was smart enough to figure out that I was being lied to and manipulated by people who prey on youthful idealism, to promote their anti democratic utopian fantasies. I hope that you will do the same.

The tactic's used by the socialist utopians is exactly that used by the cigarette companies to lure adolescents into using their addictive and dangerous product. Portray an image of what the young aspire to be, (slim and good looking, sophisticated, the macho Marlborough Man,) and then link your product to that image.

The image that the socialists presented to you was the same as that they presented to me. They use the need for young people to present a positive self image of themselves to the world. They then manufacture a positive image linked to a particular social class, who are presented as the young, beautiful, smart, and more morally virtuous than any other social class. This image has great appeal to young people. They then link their own causes to that image. This is why it is often so difficult to deprogram many young trendy lefties, because attacking their manufactured-for-them opinions is attacking their own positive self esteem.

My own conversion began when I realised that those who championed socialist egalitarianism were the biggest social snobs around, who really knew how to look down their noses at working class plebs like me. Think of socialite socialists, like the millionaire Hollywood stars now sneering at Trump, championing open borders while living in their gated communities in seaside LA.

Then there was the realisation that those who championed anti racism really did hate white people. Their default position is always, that whatever problems afflict always dysfunctional minorities, the blame can always be put squarely on white people, with a little pushing, shoving, and airbrushing of the facts.

LEGO,

Thank You for your concern about me.

You need not worry. I come from a family background
that saw first hand what both facism and communism
meant. It has been deeply ingrained into my psyche.

I hope that we can continue to have discussions
and we can continue to do so appropriately and
respectfully without the necessity to use insults
and personal attacks.

I look forward to our many discussions in the future.

Oh DTM you were a couple of days early. Today we have another bunch of Islamic lone woofers wanting to kill as many as possible in Melbourne. What a magnificant environment the socialist have set up for our grandchildren.

To ALTRAV.

In your first post on this topic, you made the crackpot assertion that "9/11 had nothing to do with Islam." Naturally, you submitted not the slightest shred of evidence to support your crackpot theory, instead telling OLO readers that we should do the job ourselves. That is exactly like saying that Elvis and alive and well, and that even though you can't submit any evidence to prove it, the onus is upon your readers to confirm it is true. Straight away, everybody knows you are a crackpot. And then you say that I am misrepresenting you as an Islamic apologist, and you are worried about what people think of you.

Now, the idea that Islam had nothing to do with 9/11. (or for that matter any other terrorist incident where the perpetrators scream "Allah akbar!" while killing infidels) just happens to be the lamest excuse given by every Islamic apologist who wishes to defend Islam. And then you say you are not defending Islam.

Then you suggest that gee, I guess there is something wrong with Islam, but you then imply that you can't blame all Muslims for that, because you know some Muslims personally, and they are nice people.

What I pointed out, was your complete judgmental double standard.

25 years ago, two Ku Klux Klansmen in the USA tied a black man to a pickup truck and dragged him to death. It was big news worldwide, and people everywhere were horrified. Everybody could identify with that poor black man and the horrible way he had been murdered. The worldwide media was unanimous in it's condemnation of the KKK and the sort of people who were KKK members, or who even sympathized with the KKK. If you had lived in the USA at that time and knew some nice KKK members, would you have defended them by saying that these KKK friends of yours "have no intentions of harming anyone." and that "They are aware of what is being said about them and lament that they are caught up in all this madness." ?

LEGO, that's exactly what I would have said, and you know that is a fair and just response.
Don't try to virtue shame me, it won't work.
You can't be so stupid as to imagine for one minute that everybody belonging to a group are all of the same mindset about everything that happens to that group.
You're being very narrow minded and petulant if you will not agree that there are differences between people in life generally, and this does not change just because they join a cult or group.
You can't be that stupid as to expect everyone to side with you when you know full well that there were members of the KKK who were horrified at what happened, and relieved that their identity was not revealed.
There are extremes in everything in life, Muslims are no different.
Again, you cannot be so stupid as to imagine for one second that there actually are Muslims who want to kill 'infidels'?, let alone anyone or anything for that matter.
It is for these people, I speak, and you are an inhumane prick, at the very least if you paint ALL people, including Muslims, with the same brush.
Where-as your thinking is so narrow and convoluted, mine is a little broader and actually allows me the luxury of asking 'why' things happen and not the 'mob' mentality you harbour.
I suggest you learn to consider ALL the information in future, and not just the ones you feel will help your agenda.

continue.....

LEGO, your first comment was about 9/11.
Can YOU show me the evidence or proof that it was Muslim 'terrorists'?.
A couple of idiots yelling 'Allah akbar', doth not maketh a terrorist.
There would be a million idiot Muslims lining up to become martyrs for the cause at any one moment in any day, so it would not have been hard to find willing participants, as we already know these nut jobs are everywhere.
Do you think something the size of 9/11 was not thought through very carefully before it was enacted?
They're going to cover their tracks well, and that's exactly what they have done.
If you think 9/11 was the work of 'real' terrorists, why then are there so many holes in the whole debacle?
I've been paying attention, and not joined the flock of sheeple who really don't give a toss or know what they're talking about.
Don't waste your time criticising me, go and do some reading/research/thinking for yourself, and if you don't start to develop a feeling that all is not what it seems, then you're not that broad minded after all, and just keep mocking and knocking ignorantly and aimlessly.

I have just starting reading
The History of Jihad from Muhammad to ISIS.

On his deathbed Muhammad said;I have been made victorious with terror.
I am only up to page 60 but it is an eyeopener.
Muhammad was a con man in a big way. He was also an extortionist.
He must have been like Hitler in that he could talk the troops into
any conflict with larger forces and told his troops that angels would
also be in the battle with them.

It is interesting to read the origins of Islam which was founded on
deceit and the sword. I am particularly interested in the various
invasions of Europe, but that is later in the book.
At present it has only been about killing or converting the Jews and
Christians to Islam in what we now call the Middle East.

'I have just starting reading
The History of Jihad from Muhammad to ISIS.'

you mean the HRC has not banned it for 'hate' speach?

Bazz, has any reference been made as to how easy it was to convert/convince people to follow Islam?
I have always wondered how it is that even, seemingly, intelligent people follow Islam.
I expect those of us who have had the benefit of either living the life and/or questioning so much about these, so called, religions, or cults, know better.
I can understand nomads and un-educated people of yesteryear, but to find ANYONE believing in ANY religion or cult today, leads me to wonder if humanity has really gained any intellect at all.
The whole concept of religion was used to keep people in line and keep them beholding to the religious leaders, who ran things in the good ole' days.
The Pope was one such identity back then.
But today, I cannot believe that people can't see through the con.
Is it that frightening and unthinkable to imagine a world or a life without a God?
When I say to people that religion is all a big and annoying con, they sometimes respond with, 'well who are we supposed to believe in'? and I always respond;
In yourselves!
I am curious as to your findings and determinations regarding this book.
Hope to hear more updates, it will at the very least, give us another insight into the world of Islam.

'When I say to people that religion is all a big and annoying con, they sometimes respond with, 'well who are we supposed to believe in'? and I always respond;
In yourselves!'

dear od dear Altrav. Believe in yourself! And you deny Islamic terrorist flew into the twin towers. You have to be kidding. I thought you had a few more brains than such nonsense. Anyone with any sense of truth knows humans are corrupt by nature. Among the worst are god deniers. Planned parenthood murderers believe in themselves.

Humans are corrupt by society which keeps
bad nature in check.

Runner, WTF, are you locked in the same rubber room as NMN?
Instead of giving us old and well trodden drivel we have heard again and again from the sheeple like yourself, how about coming back to me with actual and obvious info as to why you reckon I'm full of sh!t.
I actually have an inquisitive mind that's always considering the rest of the 'what if's', and not the mindless explanations which are there for everyone to see, so don't need further conversations.
You see your just another un-informed fool out there, if you want to redeem yourself, why don't you look up who financed the war between England and France, or who owns and runs the banks and the financial system in the world.
I do, so keep your sh!tty dim-witted, arrogant, un-informed opinions to yourself until you have done some research.
Until then your comments on the topic I refer to are moot.
And stop labeling me with all these loser's, you're not the person to judge me or anyone else for that matter.
You seem far too immature and capricious, to be taken seriously.
So then I tell you what, keep playing with NMN in that rubber room, and if you're a good boy we'll see if we will read what you might have to say later.
There's a good boy.

ALTRAV - Clarification needed who is "NMN"?

Listening to al the comment over the last two weeks I can see where
all the commentators have it wrong. It seems to apply on these pages.
The religon of Islam is not divided between the extremists and moderates.
You hear the statement the extremists are not muslims they have stolen
our religion, etc etc.
The real situation is there is a continuum from extremist to moderate.
It is all the same religion, it is just the extremists take the koran
very seriously and comply with its requirements exactly.
The moderates just do not apply all requirements.
This why the moderates are reluctant to speak up and inform police etc.

Altrav,
vast numbers of people were "converted" to Islam by the method
devised by Muhammad himself.
You defeat the other tribe with your gang of mercenaries and then
offer the tribe an offer they cannot refuse.
1. Submit to Islam and be a muslim or
2. Pay the Jizyah tax. (tax owed by all unbelievers to muslims) or
3. Be put to death.

Those that took option 2 soon found that the tax was so arbitrary and
heavy that many later took option 1.
The tax was in fact a protection racket.
Why kill the golden goose ?
Jizyah has been used as an excuse for welfare cheating in the UK.

In those early days they had a very effective army that even wiped
out the much larger Persian army. Only the Roman Byzantine empire
held them off although they did reduce its area.
They did finally defeat them some 700 years later.
This is a long running war.

with rants like that Altrav one would be a fool to believe in you.

No one should can say that there isn't a problem in the Muslim world and Muslim communities. The fact that killing, violence, rape, crime, and terrorism are becoming more prevalent by Muslims is a reason to do something about this. The most anyone can say is that this isn't done by all Muslims, even if the population of Muslims who do keeps growing.

Therefore I reiterate. If the leaders in the Muslim community want any credit, they should address the problems instead of trying to defend themselves when more people are angry or fearful of Muslims. They are doing a disservice saying "not all Muslims," when the problem is growing. Work to fix the issue or wait for others to try to fix it in their hands, in their own way. I garentee that won't be an option that will acknowledge good Muslims from extreemists, and likely will be taken by those who aren't enforcing the law but instead by those who are angry and fed up.

This debate on "not all Muslims are extreemists," only will end in harming the Muslims that are good if they are out there, or it will throw a blind eye to those that evil and in the extremist variety, which will allow them to grow. Then when action will be taken it will either be too late (because too many of the population is extreemist to be able to easily overrun, jail, or remove from the country), or the action will be to all and any Muslim before it gets worse and is too late.

So much useless debate. Tell the Muslim leaders to fix their community or if they won't, wait for the police to fix it for them, or worse the angry mob that follows to put the action to work. If they at least make efforts to make things right that might go farther then they expect. There is a problem in the Muslim world. And unfortunately it's a growing problem. Doing nothing says that you are ok with the problems, and that they are not a problem at all.

To ALTRAV

My naturally cynical nature prevents me from seeing you defending KKK members and Nazis using the same judgemental standard that you use to defend Muslims.

PSYCHOLOGY 101. The principle of collective guilt. Within any society, if an identifiable demographic group which seeks acceptance within the wider society, has members who routinely engage in violence and terrorism towards other members of that society, then the onus is upon that acceptance seeking group to denounce their own radicals who are the causing the violence. They must completely disassociate themselves from their own radicals, stressing that they do not even consider them part of their group.

This public disassociation is particularly important if the offending group really does have an ideology which quite plainly instructs and sanctions it's members to engage in violence and terrorism against the wider society. The offending group, especially it's leaders, must not only denounce their own dangerous members, they must also publically renounce those instructions in their own ideology which just happens to be the cause of the problem. And they must do both of these things publically whenever one of their own engages in spectacular acts of violence and terrorism against the wider community.

Failure of the leaders of this group to collectively renounce their own radicals, and those violence advocating aspects of their own ideology directed at non members of their group, will result in the wider demographic of non members labelling the entire offending group as a collective threat to the rest of society. Especially if the leaders of this group seek to blame the victims, and the mainstream members of the offending group refuse to sanction or replace their own leaders.

As for 9/11. Your principle is, that every crackpot conspiracy theorist has only to make a crackpot allegation, and the onus of proof is upon the mainstream to prove it is not true.

Such a principle is more worthy of hilarity than serious consideration. And then you say that you are worried about what people think of you.

LEGO, I have written previously on the topic you just spoke of and I agree with you.
If you care to go back some many weeks, you will find my theme echoes yours, so we are in agreement there.
As for 9/11, given the time I can expound on all the things that did not add up, and we are expected to, just as you are expecting of me, to believe unreservedly, what has been put out about 9/11.
OK, let's pick one or two flaws then.
Why was it originally only mentioned once or twice and never again, that there was a convoy of military like trucks, driving into the basement after work and leaving the next morning, before work started, for weeks, preceding 9/11.
No credible answer.
Why was the actual collapse an 'implosion', rather than a natural collapse.
Those trucks were the teams of men setting up the explosives as one would to bring down a building by implosion.
If the buildings fell naturally as we are led to believe, due to the heat of the burning fuel, they would have toppled even slightly, taking out neighboring buildings and killing thousands more people.
Now if you were a terrorist wanting to kill as many infidels as possible and really make a name for yourself, would you not wait till the buildings were full of workers?
So here we have instead, some workers are told not to come to work on this day, the buildings magically fall perfectly within their own footprint and low and behold the buildings were not completely staffed at that particular moment.
I was in LA that day, as it happened.
I sleep with the telly on when I am away, I awoke to the news flash.
The channel I was on had a very clear reception and the one thing 'I' noticed immediately, is that I reckognised the sound of implosion, which was later confirmed by others.
These are just a few 'facts' that have not yet been explained.
So do not dismiss my suspicions, unless you can explain these anomalies, and more.