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Choosing abortion is the greatest regret of my life : Comments
By Madeleine Weidemann, published 18/10/2018I named my baby later to acknowledge the child that I was still grieving for. I began to imagine the life she could have had.
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Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 26 October 2018 8:22:01 AM
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//and the fact that there is a cover-up of these risks.//
Oh here we go... get your tinfoil hats out, folks! We're headin' on over into conspiracy country. Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 26 October 2018 8:26:12 AM
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You seem to be rather strident in your tone, Toni.
The fact remains that in the campaign against the recently passed Queensland law, to the best of my knowledge, Madeleine spoke at just one public gathering and confined her remarks to sharing her personal story as a warning to other women that abortion can cause harm, and criticising the proposed law because it contained no safeguards for women to ensure informed consent. The harm abortion does to women is something that pro-abortion activists deny at all costs. That Madeleine also shared her personal story at a public forum against the Pyne Bills in 2016 is neither here nor there. She cannot be described as a pro-life activist if she is merely sharing her personal experience, and she should not be pilloried and condemned for doing so. Posted by BigAlOz, Friday, 26 October 2018 9:01:23 AM
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NNS,
You asked me what I would advise a young pregnant girl apart from abortion. There are so many things to consider. And due to the word limits imposed on our posts - the best way for me to answer you is by giving you the link listed below - which gives the - "teen pregnancy options." I would use that information to help the young girl - and for the reasons listed. http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/article/teen-pregnancy-options Dear Banjo Paterson, Thank You for your kind words. Even when you're old and grey - I have the distinct feeling that you won't be going quietly into the night. You rock! Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 October 2018 9:29:53 AM
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//You seem to be rather strident in your tone, Toni.//
Et tu, Brute. //to the best of my knowledge, Madeleine spoke at just one public gathering// Seriously, mate? I just showed you clear evidence that that isn't the case, and you're still persisting with your claim? You must think we all have rocks in our heads or something. //confined her remarks to sharing her personal story as a warning to other women that abortion can cause harm, and criticising the proposed law because it contained no safeguards for women to ensure informed consent.// Or as in we say in the vernacular, 'campaigned on behalf of the pro-life movement'. The fact that her various public appearances are based on her personal experience in no way negates the fact that she is campaigning on behalf of the pro-life movement. I'm not sure why you think it does. //That Madeleine also shared her personal story at a public forum against the Pyne Bills in 2016 is neither here nor there.// Yes, how convenient that piece of evidence totally destroying your original falsehood that Madeleine had only ever spoken at ONE (your emphasis) public rally just so happens to be 'neither here nor there'. Tell me, do you actually think anyone will buy the notion that evidence can be rendered irrelevant by your personal decree? Face it, buddy: you got sprung. Trying to wriggle and squirm and play silly buggers with semantics isn't a good look, and in fact will lead to the loss of more face than if you just took it on the chin - you can't fool all the people all the time, and there's no shame in that. Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 26 October 2018 9:53:29 AM
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//She cannot be described as a pro-life activist if she is merely sharing her personal experience//
Yes, yes she can. After all, if a woman spoke at a pro-choice rally about her positive personal experience of abortion, you'd definitely count that as pro-abortion campaigning... wouldn't you? Be honest now, wouldn't want that nose to grow any more. //she should not be pilloried and condemned for doing so.// No, of course not. Nobody should be condemned for exercising their right to free speech as long as they're not shouting 'Fire!' in the theater. Nobody should be pilloried at all, it's cruel and unusual punishment. But it doesn't follow that her speech should be immune from criticism. The right to criticise the speech of others is essential to free speech. Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 26 October 2018 9:53:57 AM
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Nope, that's a just a big, fat, lie. A fairly bold ploy in the age of the internet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR_s2T4mmX4
You're claiming she only spoke at the 26/9/18 Toowoomba rally for life, but the posting date for that video is 15/8/16 - more than two years prior. So Madeleine has been campaigning on behalf of the pro-life movement for over two years, at least. She's also a member of pro-life organisation Emily's Voice. Given that I get the distinct impression that you're fairly heavily in the pro-life movement yourself, I suspect that you knew damn well it was a lie when you made the statement and were just naively hoping that none of us would twig to that fact.
Gather round, good people, and witness the sort of dirty tactics that the pro-life movement aren't ashamed to stoop to. Behold their dodgy 'ends justify means' ethics. Be appalled at the way they hold their opponents in the debate in such low esteem that they will merrily lie through their teeth to them, with nary a twinge of guilt.
//Any thinking person knows that the entity in a pregnant woman’s womb is not animal//
We've been through this; humans have been considered part of the animal kingdom since at least Linnaeus' time. It makes you look a bit of a goose when you keep clinging to the same erroneous statement like it's some kind of mantra.
//Although I believe that every human life deserves a lifetime, my main concern is the damage abortion does to the health of women//
Yeah, it's a surgical procedure and it has risks. Of course, so does pregnancy. That being said, some of the claims that often get thrown about when it comes to the risks associated with abortions are demonstrably false: abortion does NOT increase the risk of breast cancer, nor does it increase the risk of long-term mental health problems.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/abortion/risks/
http://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/factsandfigures/safetyofabortion