//Toni, no-one is treating the sheep badly here or on the ships.//

Right... so on the one hand we have direct photgraphic and video evidence that sheep are mistreated on live export ships. And on the other we have the former Iraqi Information Minister telling us that we should ignore all that and instead put our trust in bald assertions offered up without a single shred of supporting evidence. Yep, that's a hard one... [sarcasm]

//It's no different than demanding Muslims follow our beliefs in their country.//

Which you do all the time.

//Toni, there is no actual cruelty on a scale portrayed by the idiots.//

I think maybe we have different definitions of cruelty. I think that allowing animals to suffer through wilful negligence also counts as cruelty.

//No one will ever stop it.//

Not if fools keep arguing that is = ought, no, probably not.

//I will argue quite strongly against the cessation of any livestock exports.//

I'm sure you will. Fortunately, nobody will care.

Toni, fortunately your mindset is well known on OLO, from previous posts.
Again you knock anything that you don't agree with.
I have quoted facts.
You are responding emotionally, therefore NO facts.
If you believe so strongly that China will buy our livestock, please go ahead and do the deal.
Don't you think if it was possible it would not already be in progress.
What I have written is based on fact.
I have no idea where the idiots got their pics from.
You obviously know them very well so it should be easy for you to find out, because there is no sheep ship out there with closed sides so there is no way on earth that any water or liquid of any kind could ever be retained at levels depicted on the videos.
As I said they are more than likely taken after a flood or in a sheep dip.
Anyway, you fail to address the plight of the Aussie farmers.
Your attitude is typical of the idiots I speak of.
You are quite happy to see farmers and their families suffer, or worse, than some sheep die.
You've finally shown your true nature.
Toni, unless you have had or still do have, something to do with farming or the live sheep export trade, we must ignore your comments and criticisms, and simply take them as opinions.
I on the other hand HAVE such experience and therefore can speak on this topic.