looks like the politicians can't win either way.

Have to more or less agree with AC.

This bloke has said much the same before and probably for the same reasons AC.

And a nonsense of horse feathers, birds fur and outright humbug that is self-evident by the complete lack of any semblance of logic.

And a marriage of convenience for the conservative liberals, (an oxymoron) given they can't win from the far right, with the nonsense they spout like demented fools from an era that was long long ago!

And should mean, but only if logic's rites prevail, a breakaway by the moderate liberal liberals into a new organisation formed by like-minded individuals rather than with those they are at completely ideological odds with?

A new Liberal, liberal party could differentiate itself by, #1 embracing nuclear power for our sustainable energy future, and #2 cooperative capitalism as a way forward that eradicates and eliminates unions and the need for them in any shape way or form, but not necessarily professional association or contract labour hire, which unions should the want to survive in the 21st century?
Need to morph into or become.

President Obama showed the way with crowdfunding that also eliminated the rich and the powerful political string pullers from imposing too much undue influence via deep pockets and media influence.

Those who participated in the train wreck as wreckers ought not be rewarded with ministerial positions or endorsement as candidates!

Nor should the politically poisoned, name Abbott be seen as a possible candidate in Wentworth, which could send its own message by electing a labor candidate and businessman?

As their judgement on the reason, their member was assassinated by the far right conservative element hiding like a pernicious disease inside a once great party!?

As they attempt to change it and the country from Parliament. And continue to see their role as born to rule rulers rather than servants who serve. the real role of democratically appointed governments, who instead, govern!
Alan B.

Have you ever thought of coming down from whatever planet you inhabit, or cloud you fly around on Alan, & looking around?

It is only the conservatives who might consider nuclear power. Labor are controlled by their need of green preferences & Morison is almost as stupidly wedded to alternate power & the UN as is Turnbull. All we will get from this new pair is the same crap as Turnbull was pushing, but perhaps a bit more honestly.

With Morrison we are no further advanced, although it is nice to have a little less slime around the place. The slime that oozes out of Rudd & Turnbull makes my skin crawl.

If they don't give cabinet posts to a fair number of the right conservatives they are out the door just as badly as they would have been with Turnbull, & we have to go through it all again after Morrison loses the election.

There has never been a time where I more wish to be wrong in my assessment, but I'm not going to hold my breath in hope.

There is not much to add after the good contributions by Ttbn, Joe (Loudmouth), Sockadelic, Hasbeen and Armchair Critic.

Democracy is far from ideal, but isn't it time that we at least TRY it?!

Whoever believes that democracy has failed has yet to see the results of other forms of government. Unelected leaders tend to hold onto power long after their uselessness is apparent to all.

To Mark Manolopoulos,

Logic is fine, but it would need to be better then the logic that dismisses the people because they are "uneducated" or for any other excuse. With that kind of logic the potential to be a monster is great. To be better, wisdom and logic would need to be paired with what every leader should have. Concern for the people they lead. I would even say that is the more important attribute.

To be fair there are many attributes that would make a leader great.

•To be fair and just would be a great thing so perhaps a leader who searched as a judge in courts is just as good or better then a scholar.
•A peace keeper would also be good, so perhaps someone familiar with the fights of the world and both how they operate and how to avoid their skermishes would be a practical approach for the future. So a military leader or at least a leader with military experience would be beneficial. Both in peace time, and times when a fight is needed.
•Experience in the government could be useful if they haven't already become corrupted by it, therefore having an experienced bureaucrat would be better then a young adult full of ideas but no experience implementing them into the system.
•Conversely political experience might be too high in corruption to be of use to the people they are suppose to serve. So choosing a person with other expertise outside of government would be better to distance from the corruption.

All of these could make a good leader, but only if they are paired with the attribute to care for the people they lead. Which needs to more then logic, or at least better logic that is committed to serving the people.

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