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Happy 25 millionth! People are precious – and not the problem. : Comments

By Barry York, published 15/8/2018

Utter baseness is a distinctive trait of Malthus - a baseness which can only he indulged in by a parson who sees human suffering as the punishment for sin.

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A complete crock of crap.
Homo Sapiens is the only animal species actively engaged in destroying its own life support system for its own selfish wants.
Not needs, just selfish wants.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 9:32:52 AM
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“He (Barry) regards himself as a leftist influenced by Marxism”.

You clearly don't want to be taken seriously, Bazz, so you have nothing to say that sensible people would be interested in reading. Mass immigration is extremely bad for Australia, but you keep on deluding yourself; nobody cares.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 10:00:10 AM
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It's the cultural and societal effects that should concern us more than the environmental. Those are almost universally bad, especially if the migrants come from a very different culture to our own. That's not to say that it isn't possible for anyone to integrate into Australia, just that it takes time, and the current rate of growth is a recipe for increasing social problems.
Posted by SilverInCanberra, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 10:29:08 AM
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I don't pretend that Capitalism is a perfect system Barry, but can you name me one, other than the exception to the Rule, Singapore, that has benefited the people as a whole. Communism failed & Socialism has failed. Their result. Millions murdered or just, disappeared.

I await your answer with baited breath, knowing that it will never come.
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 10:50:33 AM
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No species including Homo Sapiens can increase indefinitely. We can limit population growth or pestilence, war, famine and death will do it for us. We can find ways to accommodate more people, but, if we don't control population growth, nature will step in.

Marx's denial of Malthus is as unrealistic as his prediction of paradise under Marxist governments.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 11:01:39 AM
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Could it not be argued, clearing great forests and replacing them with grass and cattle was was good for profits?
Could it likewise be argued, killing off our coastal ecosystems and replacing them with fish farms, will not equally benefit society?
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 11:33:43 AM
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Well perhaps from an economic point of view it is possible to squeeze many more people onto this planet, perhaps they can be well fed, well housed and even live longer.

But at what price!

The heavy price for having more people, which we already pay dearly for, is our freedom. The more the people, the more regimentation and technology is required in order to keep them from stepping on each other's toes.

Without freedom we still kind of live, biologically that is, but then such life has no purpose. If regimentation and technology force us to all live in the same way, use the same tools and have the same habits, then why not leave just one person on earth, why this replication?

Understandably, the communist author doesn't care for our freedom - they thrive on regimentation and technology, which they consider to be "progress". Even if he is economically correct (I am no economist so I cannot tell), the life-style that he promotes is hell on earth.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 12:02:52 PM
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For some, like the human plague flooding out of the Middle East and Africa, life already is close to "hell on Earth".
Population IS THE PROBLEM.....
There are no others.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 3:05:29 PM
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50 Million displaced by climate change drought are eking out a bare existence in very basic conditions and on bare essentials! And selfishly want to live in a house sleep on beds between clean sheets they don' have to share with all the resident wildlife!

Why can't these selfish people, just make do, as advised by resident Ateday?

Yes, we can accommodate more people, but not in our already overcrowded cities, and we are rapidly approaching a situation where we will need to be a net importer of food.

And as our political class argue like spoilt kids over the spoils of defeat? We need a snowy mountains scheme for the current generation, and that is an inland canal that serves shipping, allows it to completely avoid the Great Barrier Reef!?

And serves as a constantly flushed source of usable water, which will allow us to turn the arid desert heartland into a virtual garden of Eden, utilising deionisation dialysis desalination. That in recent field trials in Texas proved to be, cost-effective for broad-scale irrigation! Because it costs four times less than traditional reverse osmosis desal and much, much less again If we could use power costing just 2 cents per KwH. And that's the promise of MSR thorium. We need to transition to cooperative capitalism and include genuine tax reform as an unavoidable flat tax of just 15% to assist that transfer!

Considering the top company tax rate paid in 2017 was just 13%, with a many as one in three, not paying any tax? It's possible to collect more taxable revenue, with a much lower rate!

After that, all that remains is to kick out the current crop of absolutely visionless leaders, patently not there for we Australians and our future, but themselves and their political masters?

Anybody who still believes that's us, need their head read? If management teaches just one thing? It teaches there's always a better way!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 15 August 2018 3:55:03 PM
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Tell that to your grandkids, AB, when they are fighting for fresh air, clean water and arable land, on which to grow crops.
Perhaps they may know what a kangaroo or koala is by a dog eared photo taken many years prior.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 4:00:29 PM
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Posted by david f- "Marx's denial of Malthus is as unrealistic as his prediction of paradise under Marxist governments."

Answer- Thank you David F!
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 6:05:13 PM
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Clean air, fresh water, arable land. All doable ateday, if we just add water. And then draw down atmospheric CO2 with technology that vacuums CO2 directly from seawater.

An all possible! but for brain dead, over my dead body, activists just like you! You also want, want, want? And that is a final solution to deal with overpopulation, i.e., let them starve!

No other solution is possible for you!

As for my grandkids. You clearly don't give a rat's for anybody else or any other view or solution!

On and on like a broken record.

I'll absolutely agree if you are the first volunteering casualty! And as easy as you taking a running jump from a very high place.

You'll have a nice day now y'hear.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 15 August 2018 6:25:53 PM
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Words fail me....
Like they failed you.
Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 7:27:46 PM
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Frankly, the nature of the comments is such that they aren't worth responding to. There's too much assertion, most of it unsubstantiated. The people who once did seriously engage in debate are no longer active here and an echo-chamber of dogmatists now seems to dominate. It's remarkable, for instance, that no-one has challenged my data from the UNFAO showing how grain production has outstripped population growth. As for the anti-communist ritualists, you might like to read this: https://sites.google.com/site/communistmanifestoproject/booklet (Not holding my breath, though).
Posted by byork, Thursday, 16 August 2018 8:43:46 AM
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Good article Barry. Dire earthly limits exercise a few people in the comments. Last year I did a short YouTube piece panning limits to growth stuff and the view that we can't provide for a growing global population. Check it out folks. https://youtu.be/JfMT_DKtkcU
Posted by David McMullen, Friday, 17 August 2018 10:53:35 AM
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jayb: can you name me one, other than the exception to the Rule, Singapore, that Marxism or Socialism has benefited the people as a whole.

No answer?

jayb: Communism failed & Socialism has failed everywhere it's been implemented. Their result. Millions murdered, or just, disappeared.

Explanation as to why, please?

Jayb: I await your answer with baited breath,knowing that it will never come.

Guess I was right, again, Ay.
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 17 August 2018 11:06:58 AM
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Jayb, I did respond. I drew your attention to a document called Rescuing the Communist Manifesto which addresses the failure of 'communism'. I provided the link. I'm not holding my breath for you to read it carefully, as you do not seem to be open minded enough. The smug ritualism of the echo chamber is much easier.

Here's the link again. Last opportunity from me. https://sites.google.com/site/communistmanifestoproject/rescuing
Posted by byork, Friday, 17 August 2018 6:05:46 PM
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I also wrote an article on the Communist Manifesto. It is found at: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12693

Its title is "Why so many Corpses?" It makes the case that the Manifesto contains a recipe for making corpses.
Posted by david f, Friday, 17 August 2018 6:43:44 PM
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//Its title is "Why so many Corpses?" It makes the case that the Manifesto contains a recipe for making corpses.//

And bread queues, David. No recipes for bread, mind you. Just the queues. Not what you'd call a useful cookbook.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 17 August 2018 7:34:18 PM
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Bread was one good thing about the Soviet Union. They had bread stores with possibly 300 different kinds of bread. Possibly that was the best thing they did.
Posted by david f, Friday, 17 August 2018 8:36:39 PM
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Barry & David,

It takes some us a long time to realise that ALL Utopian scripts are fundamentally fascist - Popper showed this with his analysis of Plato's notion of a Utopian Republic. And, since Popper's "Open Society and Its Enemies", written in the early forties, reality has borne out that analysis - every 'communist' government eventually (sometimes very quickly) goes down the path of repression and totalitarianism, and, if given enough time, to either fascism or that dreary, ghastly Brezhnevism that brought down the Soviet Union.

It's instructive that, although communism ruled in at least one state after 1917, and up to the present, the first leader who had been 'educated' under it to come to power was Gorbachev, born in 1930. Even Cuba was still ruled until recently, after nearly sixty years (sixty years, for god's sake), by people who had gone to elite schools in pre-revolutionary society.

And it took damn near that long for me, a very slow learner, to realise that communism was a stinking crock.

Keep learning, brothers !

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 9:50:48 AM
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