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The truth about 'serious atheism' : Comments
By Graham Preston, published 27/11/2017Now, if it is correct that there is no God, then certain things logically follow: these things are so regardless of whether any particular atheist believes them or not.
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Posted by david f, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 9:37:27 AM
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' Your argument which you keep repeating is: "It's so because I say it's so".'
sounds exactly like man made global warming, the big bang and evolution fantasy made up by god deniers. Repeat the lie often enough and the dumbed down accept it. Certainly the god deniers are the least rational. One would need to flush their brains down the toilet to deny a Creator, a Designer and a Lawmaker. Posted by runner, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 10:01:36 AM
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Sells and Yuyutsu - sorry, but I find it difficult to interact with your comments because often I am not confident that I understand what you are saying.
One response I will make to Sells though is, I do not purport to be an atheist myself. What I wrote in my article is what I believe must follow if atheism (as I understand it as per the Oxford dictionary definition) is true. I think that in a universe without God then absolute relativism in meaning and morals must prevail. There would be no objective standards of meaning or morals to measure anything against so all such beliefs anyone had about these are relative. As far as determinism goes, I don't think it is a "faith" claim to say that in an atheistic universe there can be no free will. Rather it is a matter of logic. If all there is is atoms then everything just happens because of the laws of physics acting on atoms, not because we "choose" to do things for reasons. Posted by JP, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 11:24:59 AM
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Dear David,
Which particular argument of mine are you referring to? That God cannot exist because that would belittle Him? Are you claiming otherwise? God is self-evident (though not his existence): If you see anything - That's God. If you hear anything - That's God. If you smell anything - That's God. If you think anything - That's God. If you feel anything - That's God. If you don't feel anything - That's also god. You are - therefore God is! The problem is that we have all kinds of notions of God being high-in-the-sky, whereas all you need to find God is to look into yourself. The only consistent way to be an atheist, is to deny yourself. http://www.swamivivekanandaquotes.org/2014/10/who-is-atheist.html --- Dear JP (the author, I presume), «What I wrote in my article is what I believe must follow if atheism (as I understand it as per the Oxford dictionary definition) is true.» According to the very narrow definition of that dictionary, I too would be an atheist. Note also that the Oxford's definition relies on the definition of 'God', which the dictionary does not and cannot provide. «I think that in a universe without God then absolute relativism in meaning and morals must prevail.» But then "a universe without God" is a nonsensical combination of words. A universe without recognition of God is of course not only possible, but also was the case more or less until humans appeared on earth. Morals however, are still the same whether one recognises them or otherwise. «As far as determinism goes» The concept of determinism is a result of taking the material world too seriously! Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 11:51:40 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,
None of your arguments are based on evidence. They are just assertions of belief. Have a good day. Posted by david f, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 12:19:20 PM
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Graham your 'definition' of atheists is incorrect.
Atheism is not a belief that no gods exist. It is a lack of acceptance of the claims made by people who say god does exist. In a courtroom we dont decide if someone is innocent or guilty. We decide if they are guilty or not guilty. A big difference. It is the same for atheists. We are not saying "there is no god' just that theists have not met the burden of proof for their claims of a gods existance. I have seen no evidence therefore it would be stupid of me to believe in a god until there is proof. That is the atheist position and nothing else. Therefore your whole article is rubbish and misleading. You should concentrate on your own horrific beliefs and stop writing about things you know nothing of. Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 2:13:32 PM
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Your argument which you keep repeating is: "It's so because I say it's so".