The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > The second person of the Trinity: the Son > Comments

The second person of the Trinity: the Son : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 11/10/2017

If a kindly Father God was looking down from above ready to intervene for his Son he must have turned aside so as not to see.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 11
  7. 12
  8. 13
  9. Page 14
  10. 15
  11. 16
  12. 17
  13. ...
  14. 24
  15. 25
  16. 26
  17. All
Things comply with laws. Compliant behaviour is different from causing laws . How can mass /energy cause laws ?
-
One of the gaps won't shrink due to it's age and traditional ways:
Current Biology
Volume 25, Issue 19, 5 October 2015, Pages R911-R921

Endosymbiosis and Eukaryotic Cell Evolution
"Understanding the evolution of eukaryotic cellular complexity is one of the grand challenges of modern biology. The precise nature of the host cell that partnered with this endosymbiont is very much an open question. And while the host for the cyanobacterial progenitor of the plastid was undoubtedly a fully-fledged eukaryote, how — and how often — plastids moved from one eukaryote to another during algal diversification is vigorously debated.
Introduction
There are two kinds of cellular life forms on Earth — prokaryotes and eukaryotes. How the latter evolved from the former is a mystery that has intrigued biologists for the better part of a century. In the early 1960s, Stanier, Douderoff, and Adelberg referred to the prokaryote–eukaryote divide as “the greatest single evolutionary discontinuity to be found in the present-day world”
.. mystery ..religion...
-
Nature 2006
"Eukaryotic evolution, changes and challenges T. Martin Embley & William Martin. The idea that some eukaryotes primitively lacked mitochondria and were true intermediates in the prokaryote-toeukaryote transition was an exciting prospect.. But the evolutionary gap between prokaryotes and eukaryotes is now deeper, and the nature of the host that acquired the mitochondrion more obscure, than ever before. New findings have profoundly changed the ways in which we view early eukaryotic evolution, the composition of major groups, and the relationships among them."
-
" The mitochondria (and plastids) of extant eukaryotic cells are remarkably similar suggesting aerobic bacteria (or cyanobacteria) were incorporated on only one occasion each. We might assume that the evolution of the Eukaryotic cell was a most unusual event because an amazing array of other cellular characteristics has evolved over the same period." _ Uni Sydney. Bio Sciences. "Endosymbiotic Theory of Evolution of Eukaryotic Cells"
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 23 October 2017 10:48:39 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
//Things comply with laws. Compliant behaviour is different from causing laws .//

"You are walking through it howsomever. I am, a stride at a time. A very short space of time through very short times of space. Five, six: the nacheinander. Exactly: and that is the ineluctable modality of the audible. Open your eyes. No. Jesus! If I fell over a cliff that beetles o'er his base, fell through the nebeneinander ineluctably. I am getting on nicely in the dark. My ash sword hangs at my side. Tap with it: they do. My two feet in his boots are at the end of his legs, nebeneinander. Sounds solid: made by the mallet of Los Demiurgos. Am I walking into eternity along Sandymount strand? Crush, crack, crick, crick. Wild sea money. Dominie Deasy kens them a'."
- Ulysses by James Joyce
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 23 October 2017 12:51:55 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Toni
Do you get the feeling you can't express a view on causation of laws?
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 23 October 2017 2:09:35 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
//Do you get the feeling you can't express a view on causation of laws?//

No, not at all. I was just chewing the fat in gibberish until you were ready to try your hand at framing an argument or question in plain English, because I'm only fluent in rudimentary gibberish.

Now what was it you wanted to know about causality?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 23 October 2017 2:32:55 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Now what was it you wanted to know about causality?
" express a view on causality of laws "
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 23 October 2017 2:37:01 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
//express a view on causality of laws//

Rather depends which laws you're talking about.

But assuming you're talking about the laws of nature: they don't require a cause. Nature is the unmoved mover.

I'm a pantheist, nick: I believe that God is Nature (not the sort of Nature that Captain Planet and the Planeteers devote their energies to, Nature as in the multiverse) and that Nature is God: two different words for exactly the same thing, like pants and trousers.

I see no necessity to invoke the notion of some supernatural entity who dwells outside of Nature to explain God. God just is. It's quite capable of supporting itself without the need of a cosmos turtle.

And if you decide that it isn't, then I can't see any way around the infinite regress problem.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 23 October 2017 3:28:13 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 11
  7. 12
  8. 13
  9. Page 14
  10. 15
  11. 16
  12. 17
  13. ...
  14. 24
  15. 25
  16. 26
  17. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy