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The second person of the Trinity: the Son : Comments
By Peter Sellick, published 11/10/2017If a kindly Father God was looking down from above ready to intervene for his Son he must have turned aside so as not to see.
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Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 22 October 2017 10:33:14 AM
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//Knowing how to use a smartphone does not remove the designer . Knowing how to design the electronics does not remove the laws . Knowing the laws does not remove a cause of laws .//
Very clever, young man. But it's turtles all the way down. Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 22 October 2017 10:47:03 AM
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You feel turtles organise gravity to hold themselves in place?
"If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument." - He feels that 'created' things ( for the purpose of this paradigm) are equal to their 'creator' . And that the world can be a cause . The man in the moon is watching closely and hacks your emails. Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 22 October 2017 12:17:24 PM
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Nicknamenick,
You’ve got to be kidding me. Even the most fundamentalist theist concedes that the God of the Gaps shrinks as we learn more. This should be common knowledge. <<That is an assertion , not scepticism . The claim needs proof.>> If you’re going to request proof for every little claim and every little premise that should be safe to assume is common knowledge, then we’re going to be here for a very, very long time. <<Knowing how to use a smartphone does not remove the designer .>> The fact that this has nothing to do with what I said aside, this is the Watchmaker fallacy. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_design You need to demonstrate that there is a designer first. We can do this with smartphones. Even if you could do this with the cosmos, though, it would merely be temporising, as you would then need to demonstrate where the god came from. All that aside, though, this is not a refutation for a shrinking God of the Gaps, but an example of it, since it was once believed that gods took a far more active roll in the goings on around us (e.g. Thor's lightning bolts). You sound very confused. Posted by AJ Philips, Sunday, 22 October 2017 1:08:01 PM
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AJ
The topic is God as in trinity father son spirit . If you expand that to all gods it needs proof (as you direct Not Now Soon to prove his points). The god of gaps is your issue and is not a side-comment. Then it needs evidence from the Bible . My designer of laws relates to Toni's turtles. Blustering that everyone agrees with you about shrinking god presumes that knowing how thunder works takes it away from created design . Why? Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 22 October 2017 2:15:40 PM
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//You feel turtles organise gravity to hold themselves in place?//
They don't hold themselves in place. They're turtles, for heaven's sake. They swim. That's what turtles are for. But yes, according to a standard interpretation of the Einstein field equations, turtles organise spacetime and spacetime organises turtles. //The man in the moon is watching closely and hacks your emails.// O....kay. Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 22 October 2017 2:18:17 PM
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That is an assertion , not scepticism . The claim needs proof.
Knowing how to use a smartphone does not remove the designer . Knowing how to design the electronics does not remove the laws . Knowing the laws does not remove a cause of laws . That's a big puff.