Phanto,

And what would happen to those mothers if they didn't ? Look at some of the prehistoric societies and how they view women: honour killings, easy divorce for men only, women's rights being a fraction of men's, women required to cover up so as not to excite men, girls can be mutilated, etc. In traditional Aboriginal societies, women were frequently killed for stepping out of line, or being suspected of doing so.

So what effects might all that have on women ? i.e. a 'culture' of inequality ? How would any woman get by, day to day, except by going along with all that ? And you've surely heard of the Stockholm Syndrome ? What might that have if it was life-long, generation after generation ?

Just think for once.

Joe

Joe,

That's true but Killarney was not talking about pre-historic societies. She was talking about modern western society where women have as much power as men and still they play the victim card.

Mothers should be teaching their daughters that there is no reason why they cannot have the same things as men including power and influence where it is necessary.

Sometimes it is easier to blame others than to take control of the situation.

Phanto,

No matter how much power women might have in western societies compared to backward societies, they are still the ones who take most of the risks, often unknowingly if they are young and virginal.

Men don't get pregnant, and I don't see gays rushing to have some new procedure done in order to do so. Yes, the situation has changed since 1971, before which young mothers had to give up their babies unless they had families to financially support therm for years. But it's still the women who have to interrupt their careers or study to look after babies, not men.

So "equality" is a bit more complicated for women, even now :)

Cheers,

Joe

Joe:

Women do not have to have babies. They now have a choice and they need to weigh up all the pros and cons of their choices just like men do. Men have to decide how much commitment they will make towards their career versus other options. Women have to also make that choice.

No one is forcing any individual woman to have a child. They are under no obligations. If women 'en masse' choose not to have children then that is their right and men just have to live with that.

Phanto,

Of course they don't, on the whole. But the odd, accidental pregnancy probably raises all sorts of conflicting thoughts in women's minds: should they have the baby now that it's a possibility, should they abort, if they have it how will they survive financially or will mum and dad be pissed off but supportive, at least for a time ? What impact will it have on my career, or study ? Will i ever see that bloke again, now that I'm in the club ? God, am I a slut or what ?

Blokes have none of those concerns: in and out, wow, that was fun, well see you around. Hey, guys, I had this fantastic root last night, a real raver, would you like her number ? Yuk yuk.

So, Phanto, would you rather be a woman ?

Joe

Hi there LOUDMOUTH...

You're quite right Joe when you say, even in our enlightened society it's women who take all the risks.

I couldn't care less what Ms ARNDT says; women do need to understand, whenever they're in public, it represents a risk. Whether or not it's a slight risk or a more profound risk, nevertheless it's still a risk. It's women themselves who should learn to diminish that risk as nobody else can do it for them.

As discussed on this Forum a year or two back, we (police) ran a series of seminars for women who had experienced sexual assault; or had escaped such an assault; or were under some severe risk through lifestyle, hours worked, or something else altogether quite irregular in their livestyles. It was titled 'Rick Management for Women', and it was funded as a Public Service.

It dealt with in part: -

. Responsible consumption of Alcohol & Drugs; in an unfamiliar environment;
. Being mindful of one's attire; (This topic always irritates and exasperates many women!)
. Prudent use of elevators;
. When alone at a social gathering, having a definite exit strategy and a means to get home;
. How to safely use a public toilet & approaching their parked M/V - alone and at night;
. Sobriety, with alcohol and/or drugs is 'paramount' despite how much you trust your friend;
. Don't fear the night - Use the night to your advantage.
.There were several other topics discussed.

*The most important being - **Irrespective of how important it is for all of us males to recognise and accept, both culturally and in law; women's rights in our civilised, cultured and sophisticated times of 2017 can and still are being transgressed and violated. To an extent a woman can be horrifically defiled to a point she'll never recover. So it befalls all women to be mindful and accept; there is still a risk from predatory males who usually in times of darkness, ooze up from the fetid sewers of our cities, and be the monsters they've become.