Sure feminist antipathy yes the author blamed the feminists.... but in the end if a woman is gang raped and not killed... She spends the next 20 years asking ,"... Why didn't they kill me?..." and drinking a 5 dollar bottle of metho twice a week to come down from the drugs her psychiatrist gives and she obviously pops like smarties.

There are worse fates than death...

Women simply have to realise their dads loves them and stupid girls who promote slutty behaviour are simply stupid women who don't love their dads!

I have to support Killarney on this issue: no matter how drunk a girl might get, if she has not consented to sex, then that is at least sexual assault, if not rape. Consent is the criterion, conscious, ideally sober consent. Any genuine bloke would know that, and not push his chances.

Indirectly, this relates to the reasons for heterosexual marriage: surely we all know that, in a heterosexual relationship, women are more likely to cop the negative consequences: she is the one who can get pregnant, he is the one who can shoot through; she is the one who takes the risks involved in such a relationship, which is why marriage is more crucial for a woman, certainly a young girl, than it may be for a bloke: it gives her some assurance, admittedly pretty flimsy, that in the event of her committing herself to the point of getting pregnant, she has entered into a legal relationship, one which ever so slightly protects her, that she has something in law which protects her - yes, however flimsy.

No such inequality enters into a homosexual relationship: two blokes can't make each other pregnant, and neither can two women.

So as a sort of conservative leftist, I'd be happy to see the definition of marriage wound back to only give that sort of legal protection to women. Men and homosexuals don't have that nagging problem, that doubt: in that sense, they are as free to piss off as men are. People want to enter relationships, but only a male and female do so with the possibility that the woman, not the man, could be lumbered with the possibility of pregnancy. There's hardly any need for marriage otherwise.

Joe

>.... but in the end if a woman is gang raped and not killed... She spends the next 20 years asking ,"... Why didn't they kill me?..." and drinking a 5 dollar bottle of metho twice a week to come down from the drugs her psychiatrist gives and she obviously pops like smarties.

>Posted by mememememememe, Friday, 8 September 2017 3:34:27 AM

MEMEMEMEME, did read the article?

As far as I recall, there was no mention of gang rape.

The issue is about two people becoming intoxicated and having sex and consent.

Gang rape is a totally different kettle of fish.

Joe:

Getting pregnant is not the same thing as being a parent. Sure, only women can get pregnant but the decision to be a parent can be equally accepted or rejected by both parties. Women can also ‘shoot through’ and leave the parenting to the man. The legal relationship that needs protecting is the relationship between the child and the parents. There does not need to be a marriage for this protection to be guaranteed by the state if necessary.

//OK. Let me get this straight. If women get blind drunk, they only have themselves to blame for getting raped.//

If sex with drunk woman is rape because drunk women cannot give consent, how is that men are able to give consent to sex when they're drunk? Are they just the superior sex, and thus better able to retain their faculties when three sheets to the wind? Because that sounds rather sexist to me, nor is it supported by anecdotal observation.

If women can do everything men can do, and men can consent to sex when drunk, then it follows that women can too. If they can't, that implies that men can't either.

//If men get blind drunk, and... have consensual blind drunk sex ... they are committing little more than a traffic violation.//

Committing some sort of crime? So now we're going to start victim blaming? Classy, Killa.

They can't have consensual sex when they're blind drunk, remember? All those poor bastards who've been raped, and all you can do is take the piss? Real classy.

//I've spent hours in emergency wards after my sons' teenage parties, with girls and their families, where their drinks were spiked with a substance that left them paralytic.//

Yeah, that substance would have been ethanol... and it's a good bet that many of those cases would have involved 'self-spiking'. Young women are not famous for their ability to hold their liqour well, and the fizzy, sugary, pre-mixed spirits that they favour go to my head awfully quickly. And I'm an experienced drunk.

But sod Occam's razor: clearly it's got naught to with youthful inexperience when it comes to hard liquor, and aught to do with the marauding packs of rapists lurking on every street corner. And even if it isn't actual rapists, I'm sure there's some way we can blame the patriarchy for people poisoning themselves.

If a person drinks and drives and is caught, they are held responsible for their actions, regardless of gender.

Maybe they should invent a new law and make it illegal for both genders to have sex whilst intoxicated.