See, exactly as I said, diversionism.

AC,

Typical of left whingers you happily label everyone else as islamophobes and racists with only a tenuous understanding of the words, while displaying a thinly veiled anti semetic racism.

All this while blustering drivel based on a superficial understanding of the topic. I don't believe you would recognise a genuine academic paper if it hit you between the eyes, and guess that your BS is supported only by the thin gruel of polemics by fashionably left whinge anti Israel so called "academics".

Dear Anti,

The information I provided, including the bit about genetics, was from the book "The Invention of the Jewish People" by Shlomo Sand, which shatters the idea of Jews being an ethnic group, hence any claim for "ancestral rights" falls.

Moreover, Judaism as we know it today is completely different than the version of Judaism that was practised before the destruction of the Jerusalem-temple by the Romans. In fact, the current "Palestinians" live closer to the old Judaic ways.

I still think that Israel should continue to exist albeit on different, non-racist, grounds. Notwithstanding, it should withdraw from the lands it took in 1967 and correct some of its unhealthy attitudes towards the native/Arab population.

I am happy to do the walk in the shoes of a Palestinian, but not of a Palestinian leader, all being corrupt, only of an ordinary Palestinian and especially in the shoes of an ordinary Palestinian before s/he was incited by the recent Palestinian national movement, no earlier than in the 1970's. Surveys show again and again that most Palestinians prefer to live in Israel - both those who are fortunate enough to already live there as citizens and those who live under occupation (which doesn't at all imply that Israel should continue its occupation). Ordinary Palestinians have less of a problem living in a state that follows the Jewish way of life than in a state that follows the Muslim way of life - while the option of living within a Canaanite or Byzantine culture is bizarre and not really on the table. If any Arab village or town in Israel prefers to separate and have its own independence or to join a neighbouring state, then let them, but I suspect that none would want to.

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Ordinary people in the West Bank and Gaza who are now called "Palestinians" were happy people between 1967 and 1975, before the PLO burdened them with ideas of national identity. They travelled and worked freely in Israel, they were welcomed there and Israelis were welcomed in their places. From then on it gradually went downhill, due to a combination of ill-will by both the PLO and the Israeli government.

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Dear Bazz,

«Yuyutsu, I agree many stayed in Babylon, but in more recent times they returned to Jerusalem.»

Essentially so, although after losing their possessions in the Arab countries, only a few of those could afford to return to Jerusalem and instead they settled in cheaper and less prestigious towns around Israel. Though this occurred mostly after the formation of Israel, retrospectively it indeed forms one valid justification for Israel's continued existence (as opposed to the false ethnic/biblical claim).

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Dear SM,

«That they moved to Israel was because they had no where else to go, and roughly doubled the Jewish population. So the Arabs in other countries are largely responsible for the new settlements that need to be built as a consequence of Arab racism.»

Spot on.

That all happened of course before 1967, within Israel's proper borders - it doesn't justify what happened after.

Terrorism is nothing new. It's been ongoing around the world for thousands of years. It's basic mode of operation has remained the same throughout; terrorise and polarise. Increase fear to an exaggerated level that bears no relationship to the reality of the threat. Polarise friend and foe alike into taking extreme positions, thereby removing the centre where negotiations between moderates might resolve the situation peacefully.

What's the reality of the threat in Australia?

2011 census 2.2% identified as Moslems.

Factor in police arrests in last five years and you'll find a fraction of 1% of the 2.2% to have known interface with potential terrorist sources. For the sake of argument round that fraction of 1% up to 1% of the Moslem population. That equates to a worst case scenario of 0.022% of the Australian population.

Factor in a homicide rate of the last five years averaging approximately 250 per year. For the sake of argument we'll say 1 terrorist homicide per year. That equates to a worst case scenario of .004% of homicides per year.

Yes there is a terrorist threat in Australia.

Yes we need to be vigilant.

But following needy little fake patriots that whip up Islamophobia is doing the bidding of ISIS and Al Qaeda. All the Western nations know there will be an increased likelihood of a terrorist incident during election periods, as this is the time when the nation is most naturally polarised. All the Western nations currently know that there is increased likelihood of terrorist activity as ISIS is defeated in both Iraq and Syria. Conflating every single ISIS attack around the globe exaggerates the threat and polarises our communities. It not only insults our intelligence, it questions our fortitude. Do these needy little fake patriots seriously think that 99.978% of Australians haven't got what it takes to crush a potential extremist threat from a maximum of 0.022%?

“I don't believe you would recognise a genuine academic paper if it hit you between the eyes..”

This coming from the clown that dumps a cut & paste relating to the human genome into a post with absolutely zero commentary of his own to go with it. But what's even more hilarious is that he is totally clueless as to how it complements the history and the archaeology of my previous posts. From elibraries to academic websites, it has never been easier to access scholarly journals. Which is why it is so easy to trash the Zionist bs you keep posting.