Dear Jayb,

But other Imams?

Which ones are you referring to?

I don't know any.

If you do - do tell.

Foxy,

"In February 2017, in response to a question regarding the meaning of Quran Chapter 4, Surah 34, Trad said a husband can beat his wife, but only as "a last resort".[24] He later apologised for his statements conceding Islam does allow for this, but saying he was "clumsy" in the television interview, adding that he condemns all violence against women"

"I condemn violence against women – it is never ok to hit a woman
Media statement
23 February 2017
“Acknowledging my clumsy attempt to explain a verse from the holy Qur’an, I want to categorically condemn all forms of violence, especially violence against women, I condemn and deplore it and stress my continued zeal to support women against violence.” Keysar Trad, president, Australian Federation of Islamic Councils"

"The Quran, chapter 4 (An-Nisa), verse 34:
Men have authority over women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. — translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali"

Does this mean that Trad opposes the Word of Allah as given to His Prophet, Muhammad?

Foxy: But other Imams? Which ones are you referring to?

I over ran my 350 words in my previous post. But this sounds to me like, “I really am trying not to know,” speak. I put together a list of important Islamic Imams, Mufti’s, Doctors & Scholars for you

Imam Zakir Naik,
Imam Kalid Yasin,
Imam Mahammad Al-Arifi,
Imam Sayed Moustafa Al-Qazwini,
Mufti Ismail Menk,
Mufti Anjem Choudary,
Mufti Abdur Raheen Green,
Mufti Nouman Ali Khan,
Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, Saudi expert in Family Affairs.
Dr. Jassem Al-Mulawa, Kuwaiti Scholar.
Dr Mesbah Moosavi, Scholar, Islamic Iranian Centre of Imam Ali. Toronto, Canada.
Dr. Sajid Sajidi, Scholar, Islamic Iranian Centre of Imam Ali. Toronto, Canada.
Dr. Ibrahim Elias, Islamic Lawyer.
Laeeq Ahmad Babar qwan
Louis Farrakhan

Just to mention a few. I don’t want to go over my 350 words again. You understand.

They all claim that beating your wife is a good thing to make her obey her husband & is legal for a moslems to do so. Nearly even convinces me, not. ;-)

You can look up their lectures on uTube if you have a mind too, but of course you won’t.

There is always of course, for you, as Brer Rabbit would say, “The Laughin’ Place.”

LEGO,

I don’t buy that, because my “sneery” responses always adequately address what you say.

<<I have no confidence that you will answer [my questions] with anything more than your customary sneery [one-liners], …>>

No, I think it’s that you are so focused on ‘winning’ debates, ‘defeating’ opponents, and how you appear to “our audience” in the process that you are not interested in a genuine discussion.

<<You studiously refuse to submit stated positions you are prepared to defend, …>>

I already have. You keep sidestepping it. Observe…

<<You have claimed that Nazis and Klansmen are different to Muslims because their "dangerous and false beliefs" are "monolithic".>>

At least one is, yes. The plural in "beliefs" signified more than one group. You're back to misquoting me.

<<When you realised that you could not even name what these [universally-held] "false and dangerous beliefs" are, you retreated and instead submitted that "at least one of their values is.">>

No, but see what happens when you quote-mine? You get yourself all tangled up.

<<But you are not going to name what this mysterious value might be …>>

I already have: the superiority of whites. (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18849#336379)

<<I suppose I could ask you what this value, or values are, but I have no confidence that I will get anything more than obfuscation and sarcasm.>>

Well that was a bad prediction now, wasn’t it?

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Jayb,

Your last post was disheartening. The fact that you bother to ask questions was what gave me the idea of suggesting it to LEGO, and I thought that you and I were making better progress because of it. I mean, you asked me for a solution, and I gave you the best one I could. That's far more than LEGO has managed thus far. He's still busy trying to pin a double standard on me.

<<I believe this is your quote.>>

I know exactly what I said. But you spoke of a specific program: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18849#336370

Given that there are groups of Muslims arguing for LGBT rights in the Islamic community, I’d say that secularism has already started to tame Islam.

AJ: Your last post was disheartening. The fact that you bother to ask questions was what gave me the idea of suggesting it to LEGO, and I thought that you and I were making better progress because of it.

I’m always asking questions, never seem to get a straight answer though.

It is inevitable that small misunderstandings happen between posters on here. It has to do with the way each individual expresses themselves. What goes down on paper doesn’t always reconcile with what is in the mind & the interpreter may not interpret the message in the intended spirit either.

I find that some posters can be intentionally vague or misinterpret & even deflect argument when put on the spot. Deflection is very common with the moslim apologists.

<He says the program is definitely not working.> My neighbours Son-in-Law did not expand on that. The Media talks about various re-educational programmes run by the Greatly Educated & All Knowing Lefties, quite often, especially just after an incident. That’s probably why the Programmes aren’t working. Re-education & Political Correctness not offending the moslim sensitivities. Yair right! I’d a bit too abrupt to run one of those, but then, that’s me. I’d have a bunch of plane tickets on hand for the failures.

AJ: Muslims arguing for LGBT rights in the Islamic community.

It’s a good thing that we don’t have Sharia Law, eh. The LGBT crowd support moslims & Sharia Law, Strange that, eh.

When is Najla going to tell us which parts of the Qu'ran are not binding on today's moderate Muslims?