Well you’ve never complained that a link I provided was “vague” before, LEGO.

<<I forgot about how, whenever I paint you into a corner, ...>>

It is, however, always a sure sign of your panic when you start asserting that I’m pained into a corner.

<<[Whenever] your are obliged to give an explanation for one of your stupid assertions, your customary "get out of jail free" card is to simply post up a link to some vague site.>>

Both links specifically mention belief in the supremacy of whites within the first couple of pages. There’s nothing “vague” about that.

It’s always amusing when you presume to comment on the content of a link that you obviously never clicked.

<<Your entire method of "debating" is indicative of a person who knows that he is wrong, but he will never admit to it.>>

That’s funny, I would say exactly the same thing about a person who simply asserts victory when they’ve used up all their angles of approach.

<<Better to prevaricate endlessly rather than concede that the Sacred Ideals of Equality are wanting.>>

Now that’s what I call “transference” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference)

<<As for me providing an example of your contradictions, …>>

This’ll be good.

<<… how about [the] ones where you stated that low intelligence is not a major risk factor in crime, then it was a major factor?>>

Yes, the first quote of mine acknowledged that IQ was INDIRECTLY a major factor. There was no contradiction. You’ve tried this one before. It’s the only “contradiction” you can ever find, too, despite them apparently being plentiful.

<<… after strenuously denying that IQ testing was even accurate.>>

"Strenuously"? Well then ..!

I always enjoy the words you insert for dramatic effect.

Correct, too, by the way. They are not accurate. They are, however, accurate enough to develop general idea about the cognitive abilities of individuals.

<<No group of people united under any ideology can have [universally-held] beliefs, although some may have core beliefs to which every member must believe in to be accepted within the group.>>

Yes, making that core belief a universally-held one.

You have already painted yourself into a corner on this topic, AJ.

We were examining three extremist organisations, all of which have "false and dangerous beliefs." They are, Nazis, Klansmen and Muslims. And the double standards by which you, and people who think like you, judge individuals within each group. Your premise was, that all individual Nazis and Klansmen could be condemned because "all Nazis and Klansmen define themselves by their horrible beliefs, so there is no double standard." Applying the same standard to Muslims, then all Muslims must be condemned because, according to their Koran, their particular "harmful and false" beliefs "which define them" are even more "horrible" and more numerous.

Your comeback was, that I "cannot possibly know what every Muslim believes." You are suggesting that Muslims do not all follow the clear and emphatic written directions of their God to the same degree. Applying the same standard to Nazis and Klansmen, you can't know what every Nazi or Klansmen believes either. But you claim you can. You claimed that the universal "horrible" belief of every single Nazi and Klansmen was "white superiority." When challenged to prove it, you wimped out. You provided nothing to validate your claim that every single Nazi who every lived believes in white superiority, all you could do was to provide a link to a Klan Koran which advocated white superiority was a Klan belief.

You are claiming that the instructions from God in the Koran to kill infidels, homosexuals, apostates, and beat their wives, are not universally believed by Muslims, but that Klansmen must universally believe in white superiority because a Klan Koran says they should.

The most interesting aspect of this double standard is, that I don't think you are dumb enough not to clearly see it. You knew all along that it was a double standard, but you hoped you could hide it in the waffle. The most amazing thing about Absolutist mindsets like yours is that they truly believe that their opponents must abide by principles that they have no intention of abiding by themselves

Oops! Foxy we've posted to the wrong Post.

Foxy: Because it is demonstrably nonsense.

Please demonstrate away.

Are you saying what these eminent Imam's, Mufti's, Dr's & others don't believe what are saying in their lectures to the moslim population of the World? Lectures they put on uTube to teach people how to become better moslims. Or, do you believe in, "What the eye doesn't see the heart can't bleed."

Anyway;

Menk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyQahPZmvU0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLflUG0IwQo

Sh. Khalid Yasin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2sZrrXeMZo

Imam Sayed Moustafa Al-Qazwini: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y7GwnzH7GE

Dr. Mesbah Moosavi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9f3bA8wohg

Oh please, LEGO, do tell me how you’ve painted me into a corner. Let us all finally see this double standard of mine, you suspense-builder, you.

<<We were examining three extremist organisations, all of which have "false and dangerous beliefs.">>

Or “belief” (singular), since you wanted to make an issue of that.

<<Your premise was, that all individual Nazis and Klansmen could be condemned because "all Nazis and Klansmen define themselves by their horrible beliefs, so there is no double standard.">>

Correct. However, you shouldn’t use double quotation marks unless you’re quoting verbatim.

<<Applying the same standard to Muslims, then all Muslims must be condemned because, according to their Koran, their particular "harmful and false" beliefs "which define them" are even more "horrible" and more numerous.>>

“According to their Koran”, yes. But not all of them take the bad verses as instructions on how to live now.

Not off to a good start, but we’ll see what else you’ve got...

<<Your comeback was, that I "cannot possibly know what every Muslim believes.">>

Correct.

<<You are suggesting that Muslims do not all follow the clear and emphatic written directions of their God to the same degree.>>

And some don't follow it at. You conveniently omitted that detail.

<<Applying the same standard to Nazis and Klansmen, you can't know what every Nazi or Klansmen believes either.>>

Sure, but your standard omitted a crucial detail, so it’s irrelevant.

<<You claimed that the universal "horrible" belief of every single Nazi and Klansmen was "white superiority." When challenged to prove it, you wimped out.>>

Erm, no. I linked to their ideology that clearly stated it.

<<You are claiming that the instructions from God in the Koran to kill … and beat their wives, are not universally believed by Muslims, …>>

Or followed, correct.

<<… but that Klansmen must universally believe in white superiority because a Klan Koran says they should.>>

No, they “must universally believe in white superiority” because they joined the organisations.

Still no double standard.

Oh well, better luck next time. Which will be your twelfth attempt, I might add.

I sure hope that everybody is reading this, AJ.

You are once again pretending that individuals within different groups of people, all with them with "false and dangerous beliefs" should be judged differently. That is a double standard.

You claim that individual Nazis and Klansmen can be condemned, but Muslims can not. Your justification is that people from these groups "identify themselves by their horrible beliefs". Well, let's look at "horrible beliefs." The "horrible belief" you speak of with Nazis and Klansmen is "white supremacy". That is hardly comparable in offensiveness to a range of "horrible" Muslim beliefs including male supremacy, the concept of females as minors and the property of men, the concept that raped women deserve it, that raped women should be punished, clitoris removal, honour killings, that women captured in war should be sex slaves, that Islam should be spread by force, wives should be beaten, and that non Muslims, homosexuals, critics of Islam, blasphemers, apostates, and Jews should be murdered.

Comparing "horrible beliefs" , I would rate Islam the worst in terms of the quantity of offensive beliefs , Nazism the second (as it also persecuted and murdered Jews, homosexuals and it's critics), with the Ku Klux Klan looking positively benign compared to the other two.

Your next double standard is your insistence that every individual Nazi and Klansmen universally accepts their "horrible beliefs", but Muslims do not. Muslims may not share universal beliefs, even though these are direct instructions from their God, but most our readers understand that all Muslims believe in some of them or they would not be Muslims.

Your supposed verification for the universal acceptance by individuals of Nazi and Klan ideology is "because they joined these organisations." I joined the Labor Party in 1973 and swore to uphold "the democratic socialisation of Australian industry", which I did not believe in one iota. I joined because I did not want to be conscripted and have my head blown off in Vietnam. Many young Europeans joined the Waffen SS because it was a way of saving Europe from the Communists.

Oh, I know you do, LEGO.

<<I sure hope that everybody is reading this, AJ.>>

It’s characteristic of narcissism. Let’s see if it’s twelfth time lucky…

<<You are once again pretending that individuals within different groups of people, all [of] them with "false and dangerous beliefs" should be judged differently.>>

No, I’m not pretending anything. Which group are we talking about, and what are we judging them on?

<<You claim that individual Nazis and Klansmen can be condemned, but Muslims [cannot].>>

Correct.

<<Your justification is that people from these groups "identify themselves by their horrible beliefs".>>

The first two, yes.

<<Well, let's look at "horrible beliefs.">>

Yes, Let us…

<<The "horrible belief" you speak of with Nazis and Klansmen is "white supremacy".>>

Correct.

<<That is hardly comparable in offensiveness to a range of "horrible" Muslim beliefs …>>

But not all Muslims believe in those. You have the memory of a fish.

<<Comparing "horrible beliefs" , I would rate Islam the worst in terms of the quantity of offensive beliefs …>>

Agreed.

<<Your next double standard is …>>

Hang on, you haven’t demonstrated one double standard yet. How did we get to the "next"?

<<… your insistence that every individual Nazi and Klansmen universally accepts their "horrible beliefs", but Muslims do not.>>

If (as you have quoted of me) they "identify" themselves that way, yes.

<<Muslims may not share universal beliefs, … but most our readers understand that all Muslims believe in some of them or they would not be Muslims.>>

Not all of them.

<<Your supposed verification for the universal acceptance by individuals of Nazi and Klan ideology is "because they joined these organisations.">>

And by the way they "identify" themselves, yes.

<<I joined the Labor Party in 1973 and swore to uphold "the democratic socialisation of Australian industry", which I did not believe in one iota ... because I did not want to be conscripted ...>>

Well then you did not “identify [yourself] by [Labor’s] horrible beliefs” and could not, therefore, be judged based on anything the Labor party did.

Can we hope for a thirteenth time lucky?