Great work Pogi or is it Poirot? A lot of compassion shown to the child being ripped apart in the name of women's rights. Your denial of a Lawmaker is as logical as the denial of a baby in the womb not being human. Keep trying to justify the unjustifable Pogi unless of course you continue to revert to the moral relativism dogma preached by the the secular fundamentalist. No logic to it however it allows you to bury your conscience. Yep its all about ME.

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Once when Jacob was cooking some stew, Esau came in from the open country, famished.

He said to Jacob, “Quick, let me have some of that red stew! I’m famished!” (That is why he was also called Edom)

Jacob replied, “First sell me your birthright.”

“Look, I am about to die,” Esau said. “What good is the birthright to me?”

But Jacob said, “Swear to me first.” So he swore an oath to him, selling his birthright to Jacob.

Then Jacob gave Esau some bread and some lentil stew. He ate and drank, and then got up and left.

So Esau despised his birthright.
}

[Genesis 25:29-34]

- Need I add anything, Babette?

Babette's article has some applicability to the Maori in New Zealand where a recourse, a return, especially in schools, to tribalism and Maori culture, usually to the detriment of mainstream subjects, is too often seen as THE way out of all the bad social stats and indices Maori are prone to. This is a totally retrograde emphasis.

I recall in a conversation some years ago with the eminent and highly respected Maori leader Sir Peter Tapsell his observing that a continued adherence to tribalism and all that it implied would be the death of Maori.

The obvious corollary did not need spelling out - that a too heavy reliance on Maori roots would be to the exclusion of their European roots, common roots shared by the huge majority of Maori in NZ.

runner, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 10:37:57 AM A world made in England 19:53

runner writes: Great work Pogi or is it Poirot?

As far as inanity and irrelevance is concerned you are breaking new ground with every post. You and ttbn share the lead in the Knuckle-walker of the Month award.

runner writes further: A lot of compassion shown to the child being ripped apart in the name of women's rights.

If you can't make a case without resort to blood-curdling hyperbole and fanatical misogyny then it's no wonder you are treated with so little respect. You're on the fringe of fundamentalism cast there by the vast majority of society who, using common sense, can sympathise with those who are driven to desperation by circumstances sometimes beyond their control.

I can understand your passion for absolutes. It's force-fed to you by a priesthood who must ensure a wide variey of fodder for their disgusting pedophile bretheren. Every child not born is a wasted opportunity! Yes! That's a bit of blood-curdling hyperbole thrown back at you. How foolish of you to not realise how much more vulnerable you are on issues such as this.

As we are a fair way off topic with this issue I declare my interest in continuing this discussion to be at an end. I close with: <http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html> ...with an injunction that you pay close attention and agree there is no point in further contention.

'I can understand your passion for absolutes. It's force-fed to you by a priesthood who must ensure a wide variey of fodder for their disgusting pedophile bretheren.'

Oh suddenly someone who does not believe in absolutes discovers pedophile is wrong. Amazing logic Pogi.

A world made in England 10/08/2016

runner, Saturday, 8 October 2016 11:12:09 AM

"Oh suddenly someone who does not believe in absolutes discovers pedophile is wrong. Amazing logic Pogi."

How shameful for you then that the religion you defend so ineptly does not abide by the same rules and conduct that it so rigorously imposes upon its flock! How shameful are they who conspired in cover-ups and moved offenders to even greener pastures? How
shameful are the flock members who chose the offender's word over that of their own children? How utterly shameful are the remaining flock who did nothing, but wring their hands, but hoped the awful episode would end as quickly and as quietly as possible, but prayed tearfully to ensure the validity of their ticket on the glory train even if their kids were molested, but stayed their protest and righteous indignation so that their piety impressed. Little Tommy and David will get over their experiences and if we put our dreadful mistakes out of our mind then maybe God will do the same, just for us of course cuz we are so pious and loving of our god [grovel, grovel].

How shaming of you is it that any individual involved in promoting beliefs that result in such heinous practices is tarred with the same brush, is complicit by omission and/or commission in the creation of this ordurous cess-pit?

Any other so paternalistic, oligarchic organisations as religions are, inviting the nurturing of sexual perversions, of venality, corruption and criminal conduct, would be razed to the ground and their hierarchies stripped of all authority by a decent society
thankful for the opportunity. Unfortunately for a decent society, the criminality and the hypocrisy are so pervasive as to escape notice as such for they appeal to some of the worst aspects of our personalities and are made holy and righteous by decree.

What shameful devices you use that you may maintain your faith.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." M.L.King jr.