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Softening Australia's position on refugees : Comments

By Peter Bowden, published 30/9/2016

The dozen reasons set out below for softening Australia’s position on refugees are idealistic, humanitarian, legal, practical and economic.

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The trouble is that there are only two arguments being put forward in favour of immigration, the first is that it's good for crony capitalism, the second that the third world should be allowed their revenge against White people.
Why would anyone expect things to go smoothly?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 2 October 2016 8:36:00 AM
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Yutsie: Unlike dirty Muslims. etc, etc.

Yep! You know, if you don't like mixing with WAS's & the make you feel uncomfortable you could always emigrate to somewhere the people you mix with would make you feel more comfortable. Is it the economic gain that keeps you here? Hmmm...

I read once that 12.5% of people give the others a Good or Bad name.

I guess 12.5% of non-moslems give 87.5% of good non-moslems a bad name.

87.5% of moslems give the 12.5% of good moslems a bad name.

Does that float your boat?
Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 2 October 2016 8:39:36 AM
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Leo Lane,
I think I said "not worthy of comment" I'll stick to that.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 2 October 2016 9:53:40 AM
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1. Open border immigration is leading to social catastrophe and civil war in Europe. Why do you want Australia to emulate self evident catastrophe?

2. My family were never immigrants, we were settlers.

3. Australia is not "multicultural" we have become socially and culturally divided country. Such nations are always unstable.

4. "Them and us" has always existed, and always will. Human beings are tribal and territorial. No amount of socialist rhetoric can make human squares fit ideological round holes.

5. The camps on Manus Island are a result of Australia signing UN agreements which makes every economic migrant who gets his big toe on Australian soil to be a
new source of wealth to every lawyer in Australia.

6. It is as racist to call white Australians "rednecks" as it is to call black Africans "niiggers."

7. Good point. Simple solution. Withdraw from these International agreements which are being openly abused by economic migrants.

8. Europe is being swamped and is in turmoil by a tsunami of economic migrants, and you want Australia to take even more than the Euros. Are you insane?

9. Certain immigrant groups are very disproportionately represented in serious crime. If immigrant groups take jobs that Australians don't want, then social security payments are too generous.

10. The job growth will primarily be, prison construction, prison guards, expanded police forces, more law courts, and more social workers to 'solve" the social problems which certain imported ethnicities always create.

11. Australia is a sovereign nation, and we will decide what is right and wrong in our own country. We will also decide who may come here and the circumstances under which they come

12. You are advocating discrimination against young males, and you make a good point. But if you can make a case for discrimination against a group of people for good reasons, then so can I. I think that Australia should take refugees, but only those able to integrate into our primarily Judeo/Christian/ atheist society. Middle eastern Christians would be a good choice. The traditional Muslim persecutors of Christians would be a bad choice.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 2 October 2016 10:58:36 AM
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Well said Yuyutsu!

This article isn't aimed exclusively at muslims, just the prospects of folk found to be essentially economic migrants seeking an economic outcome!

We have had Muslim migrants here since Afghan camel drivers came to help build the inland telegraph! And seem to follow the Sofie tradition, which at face value, seems to be peace loving at its core and welded to peaceful cohabitation! Which seems to be their history in their various homelands?

It also seems worth noting, that the Sofie tradition follows the least revised version of the (original) Koran? Even so, some are able to be offended by the links pertaining to and aimed exclusively at essentially combative cults, who claim to speak for all Islam and from highly revised and reworded texts that are not part of the original text or what it rules in or rules out?

If folk are GENUINE asylum seekers, their race or religion cannot count! But be afforded asylum until it is safe for them to return or apply through available legal channels for permenant residency status?

To then face the same good character tests of all other newbies! Always providing they are able to pass entirely unobtrusive, covertly deployed, space age lie detection, which cannot be reserved for any one race, culture or religion! But for all applicants! Hard to be fairer than that!

And you need to climb right down from that high horse you've mounted! It's not helping; and some elements of Islam have a case to answer?

Nowhere in Islam is it possible for non muslims to simply squat, impose without invitation, without also creating hostile and at times murderous opposition! And it cannot be different elsewhere if roles are reversed! No ifs, buts or maybes!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 2 October 2016 11:47:32 AM
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Dear Jay,

So far I have been impartial and my personal feelings and preferences had no input in this discussion.

Now since you asked about my PERSONAL preferences, I can tell you about them, but first lets get this "economic gain" out of the way since nothing could be further from the truth: Australia is rather an expensive place to live, even more so when one is unwilling to receive government benefits (such as Medicare) and as my income comes from overseas anyway, living here could be seen as quite an irrational decision from a purely-economic point of view.

I like mixing with good people of a wholesome lifestyle, with positive attitudes and preferably with a spiritual streak. Their race/ethnicity is my very last concern and whether they are Christian or Muslim does not matter to me, so long as they take their religion seriously as a spiritual path rather than as a quasi-national identity. I must mention that I have no difficulty finding and associating with my kind of people here, in Australia.

Policies (such as immigration) should be based on impartial moral grounds rather than on feelings and personal preferences. One should always stick to doing the right thing rather than to what seems either emotionally or economically beneficial. Nevertheless, as you allowed me a free rein to [only] fantasise about my favourite immigration policy, here goes:

Regardless how one arrives (plane or boat, with or without documents, etc.), unless there are compelling reasons (such as poor character or contagious diseases), I would normally allow into Australia anyone who has never been a smoker. Anyone who has smoked in the last 10 years or is unwilling to commit never to smoke again, should automatically be rejected and kicked out. OTOH, vegetarians are to be actively encouraged to come, but one would lose migration-points for gambling, drinking, listening to aggressive so-called-music and lack of spiritual orientation.

You see, I'd like to welcome good, wholesome people and reject unwholesome people. Incidentally, you may happen to like my fantastic policy because Arab-Muslim males have one of the world's highest smoking rates.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 2 October 2016 12:44:19 PM
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