Sigh this is yet another appeal to emotion that ignores the needs of our country and our economy. With the march of technology making the possibilities for employment ever fewer we should not blithely bring in more people that we simply do not not need, most especially when they are going to be followers of an ideology that is simply incomparable with the secular values that are the foundation of our society.

This article seems to have vanished, leaving only the headline. Technical difficulties?

I found this article amazing. If there ever was a demonstration that the road to hell is paved with good intentions this is it. By the way you can read it by clicking on the printable version button.

I have just returned from a trip to Europe which included a Baltic Cruise. Every guide had one common theme. The Russians detested the Germans, the Germans detested the Russians, and all the other countries detested both but they all detested Angela Merkel for opening the floodgates to non-registered immigrants and causing the rise of neo-Nazi parties.

Similarly the decision by the Rudd Government to reverse the Pacific Solution of the Howard Government probably did more to harm tolerance of immigrants into Australia than any other single measure.

To quote Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban “If somebody takes masses of non-registered immigrants from the Middle East into a country, this also means importing terrorism, criminalism anti-Semitism and homophobia. Refugees do not have the right to choose where they want to go.”

Australia now accepts over 200,000 migrants per year but they are screened. That is enough. Any more will reduce the toleration of the nation to immigrants.

I have never forgot the words of a Pakistani taxi driver when I asked him about the boat people. He had legally immigrated to Australia in 2007. His reply was one I have never heard before. They must not be allowed in because if they are successful they will begin their life here by breaking the rules. To him the great strengths of Australia were the rule of Law and that the low amount of government corruption compared to other countries. You will destroy this zeitgeist if you allow in people who begin their new life breaking the rules.

When I read this article all I could think of was the words of King Oscar II of Sweden: “A man who has not been a socialist before 25 has no heart. If he remains one after 25 he has no head.

"An overriding ethical guideline is that we are allowed to do anything we want to provided we do not harm anybody else."

True, and this invalidates your entire argument for governmental action.

Only if everything you advocate, including the funding, were voluntary, would your ethical argument make any sense, and comply with your own ethics, or with Mill's.

I have repeatedly posted in here a draft deed and declaration of trust, by which those who profess to care about refugees, can sign up to make themselves liable to their fellow citizens for all the costs and harm you are causing them. This includes promising to pay for all the costs of processing and settlement, and indemnity for crimes.

If you are serious, look up the deed, print it out, sign it, and post it back in this thread in PDF so we can all sue you for the costs you advocate others being forced and threatened by the State into paying.

Peter, the reason I say this, is because I need it to settle an argument with a person who *alleges* that you are just a poser and sanctimonious fake. I have told him I can prove you are genuine. So please go ahead, and hurry up and post the signed deed back in this thread.

If you can't find it, let me know, and I'll find it for you, okay?

Yes?

That's okay, isn't it?

Peter?

I also encountered the alleged technical difficulties. And are left to respond to the headline. Which sounds like advocacy for the return of criminal people smuggling by organised crime cartels?

Which could be replaced by fly in fly out, high class voluntary prostitution? Not too different from selling your integrity or the nation's interests/security, for forty pieces of allegorical silver?

If bona fide refugees want to come here, then there is a better way than paying a criminal cartel the equivalent of a year's salary to sail from Indonesia to Christmas Island! (A day trip on a fast ferry!)

That way includes keeping the very documentation relied on to obtain entrance to transit countries! No ifs buts or maybes! And given that's the case, fly in for far less than the fees demanded by the soulless criminal cartels that have no interest, than the (maximized) money they take from this tide of human misery! (And possibly the Author's interest?)

And having flown here, if genuine and supported by the aforementioned documentation, apply for asylum!

And to put it bluntly! No genuine asylum seeker, with the bona fide claims supported by authenticated documentation, is ever going to be turned away! End of story! No ifs buts or maybes! And that's soft enough to sicken!

Other than that, all we can reasonably do is ensure our aid program is targeted at economic improvement outcomes! "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you feed him for life"! While that's simplistic summation, it encapsulates what we and the rest of the world need be about if we would solve the (65 Million and growing) displaced people problem?
Alan B.

This bloke never gives up. We need an even harder attitude to "refugees", who are all loss and no gain for Australia.