Siliggy

My last post was about the Arctic Circle; deniers have got it completely wrong.
Sea ice volume 1979 was 16,700 km3, in 2016 around 4,400 km3. Sea ice thickness is also down. The Artic Circle presents huge problems without taking into account Antarctica.

In relation to Antarctica, a 6,000 square kilometre hunk of the Larson C ice sheet is preparing to calve.
Pine Island glaciers are also not in a healthy state.

Antarctica has been assessed very closely over the last few years, satellite photos are not creating a happy picture. East Antarctica had been considered to be stable, that is no longer the case ( Tottem glacier ).

Deniers of new information about the world beneath the surface of the world ocean should not ignore virtual rainforests of plant matter beneath Arctic ice and offshore from Antarctic ice,

http://inhabitat.com/nasa-team-finds-rainforest-of-algal-blooms-under-arctic-ice/arctic-ice-from-space/

What impact could there be on albedo due to penetration and reflection of radiation hitting dark plant matter instead of clear water beneath the ice?

No wonder sea ice melts sometimes. Or can AGW science prove sea ice only melts from the top down?

Land and sea plant matter is linked to atmosphere and change in climate and so both should be measured and assessed in climate science.

Surely UN science should be questioned about impact of algae plant matter on weather and climate.

I don't think you get it JF Aus, it's SO much more serious than that! The algae have infiltrated the UN and are planning to corrupt our taxation system, gradually increasing their level of global governance until they take our women and children!

In the meantime, ice is good. ICE is the major albedo changer, as it reflects 90% of the sun's rays. Any (hypothetical and unproved) heat from photosynthesis under the ice is only from the 10% of light left over from the ice.

Gee, I wonder what force could possibly be melting the ice? I wonder if there's some global scientific conversation that accounts for that enormous kind of energy, instead of looking at algae that are only blooming in WAAAAAY under 1% of the oceans? Boy, this is REALLY REALLY HARD! I WONDER what it could be?

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Posted by Max Green, Saturday, 8 Octob

Max Green,

You definitely fit the definition for Internet Troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trol

Sticks and stones, JF, sticks and stones.

If I'm finally resorting to sarcasm it's because of the utterly dreary one sided nature of this interaction. Trolls (like yourself) just take a contrary position for the sake of it, for attention, or because they're too dumb and too stubborn to know any different.I post because I care about the fate of this planet. You post because you've got some bizarre unprovable hobby horse and you can't let it go. If you go back over this thread you'll see I ask dozens of questions you never bother to answer, and yet answer heaps of yours. One sided, much?

For instance, you didn't address the fact that ICE is the ultimate planetary albedo moderator, REFLECTING 90% of the sunlight. Once that melts, the ocean under the Arctic can ABSORB 90% of the sunlight, increasing the warming of the oceans and melting of Greenland. What's algae going to do compared to that?

Once again, MORE ALGAE = COOLER PLANET! It's that simple.

Historians will have to record the truth about humans blatantly ignoring nutrient pollution and algae killing the ocean of planet Earth.

How can any decent human being ignore nutrient pollution killing people and biodiversity of our planet.
Look at the date on the following report and consider the state of the marine environment and impact on society since then, now in 2016, all ignored by OUR ABC.

http://www.theecologist.org/trial_investigations/1220194/how_our_growing_appetite_for_salmon_is_devastating_coastal_communities_in_peru.html

There are security and environment and socio-economic grounds for a Royal Commission into collapse of sustainable and affordable and available protein food supply, nutrient pollution linked to cloud precipitation and change in weather, also devastation of coastal ecosystems, deterioration of ocean health, and political motives involving cessation of state of the marine environment (SOMER) studies, as well as justified reason for silent removal of fish from the Consumer Price Index (CPI).

Damage from nutrient pollution is known but is generally ignored. Yet in
Scotland, November 2000:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1355936/Pollution-from-fish-farms-as-bad-as-sewage.html

Algae has since increased noticeably.

Deniers of new information about the world beneath the surface of the ocean should not ignore virtual rainforests of plant matter beneath Arctic ice and offshore from Antarctica.

There is need for a big wake up.
Arctic warming is being amplified by algae?
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/19/5921

Can AGW science prove sea ice only melts from the top down?

Land and sea plant matter appears linked to climate and all likely links should be measured and assessed in UN IPCC associated climate science.

Urgently.