@ Max Green, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 11:44:50 AM

Max,
Those who wrote that link article have not done the research I have done and therefore are likely not aware of new information not yet documented and peer reviewed. So their view likely does not include understanding of seagrass nursery devastation worldwide and small-fish dependence on those nurseries. Whereas I studied that dependence in 1982.

There is definitely silence about the east coast of Australia sediment dispersal system alongshore/longshore current transporting dissolved sewage nutrient overload-pollution into GBR waters and impact on GBR biodiversity.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy, agreement, when there are many financially desperate scientists willing to be politically correct to obtain research resources and income to feed their families.

Timing: World fish depletion was occurring prior to salmon being farmed en-masse. Example: I filmed Victoria's fairy penguin unprecedented starvation in 1982

I am well aware of Peruvian fisheries. Peru holds the world record catch of fish for any country, 12.3 million tonnes of anchovies in one year. That caused the population to crash.

Anchovy have a short life span but breed prolifically - if nursery habitat is available. And it's not. It's devastated worldwide, so much so in 2016 there are not enough anchovy to breed food for farmed salmon to eat, or to keep feeding sea birds and whales and tuna.

Yes the right balance. LOL. David Suzuki once told me, "find the balance".

I previously looked at the sea surface temp map you refer to but often I don't reply because of your ad hom waste of time inaccurate useless insults.
However......

The first thing I notice is the high level of heat (yellow) flowing westward off the west coast of Mexico down Panama way.
I also see a high level in the Gulf of Mexico where the worlds biggest algae inundated dead zone is located.

Then I ask myself how was that overall ocean temp data measured, because as someone pointed out recently, satellites do not actually measure the ocean surface, and thus there is that SST anomaly in AGW science.

“Max,
Those who wrote that link article have not done the research I have done”
Are you whining about the article YOU submitted? Can I please ask you to grow up and actually READ the articles you submit here and NOT submit them until they actually support your argument? Please? Your own sources are so predictably on my side they bore me. And now you’re going to plead special knowledge from your own research? Unless it was published in a peer-reviewed journal, then my counter argument is that I’ve also got special knowledge. A little gnome told me.

“The first thing I notice is the high level of heat (yellow) flowing westward off the west coast of Mexico down Panama way… where the worlds biggest algae inundated dead zone is located.”
I’m not debating that oceanic dead zones are a problem, because they can occur on the coasts in areas that would be fisheries. I’ve already agreed dozens of times. Where we disagree is your ridiculously child-like notion that less than 1% of the ocean’s area that has algae can produce 4 Hiroshima bombs per second worth of ADDITIONAL heat to this planet. 4 Hiroshima bombs ever SECOND, of EVERY MINUTE, of EVERY DAY.

That’s what CO2 does. As a climate argument, it’s one of the most unjustifiable and bizarre arguments I’ve ever heard. The high algal bloom areas are insignificant, petty even, when discussing things like GLOBAL WARMING!
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/GlobalMaps/view.php?d1=MYD28M&d2=MY1DMM_CHLORA

TIMING…. 1982
Overfishing has been around for a long time, and not always in association with salmon! Are you really this obtuse?

You’re timing is out by a century! “While big fish were the mainstay of net and hook-and-line fisheries from the middle ages to the early 19th century, they declined rapidly with the spread of trawling, especially when steam power was added in the 1880s and 90s.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/20/fish-are-dying-but-human-life-is-threatened-too

Oops! That looks like OVERFISHING is the culprit.

“There is definitely silence about the east coast of Australia sediment dispersal system alongshore/longshore current transporting dissolved sewage nutrient overload-pollution into GBR waters and impact on GBR biodiversity.”
No there’s not you tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist! I just listened to a MAJOR report on the ABC radio about the runoff from banana farming and how agricultural runoff is harming some of the reef. Major. Report. On. The. Radio. Got it? You should get a smart phone and get a podcast app and subscribe to the ABC environment shows. Maybe watch Catalyst a little, because you’re sounding completely uninformed.
Here’s video. It’s awful. But again, while a real LOCAL problem, it’s got NOTHING to explain global warming or GLOBAL fisheries collapse. This is a local collapse.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/rivers-of-red-threaten-great-barrier-reefs-future/6723280

If we fertilise the right phytoplankton, we can make an enormous food chain that increases wild salmon and sequesters carbon to FIX global warming.

Hey JF,
Check this map. It doesn't just have algae, it has the *actual* dead zones mapped out. Huge isn't it? Like, the whole Pacific Ocean and Atlantic, with all those fish just wiped out. Oh... wait... it's less than 1% again. (Slaps hand to forehead).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology)#/media/File:Aquatic_Dead_Zones.jpg

But this graph shows the REAL reason the oceans are dying.
100 MILLION tons of seafood a year, and since the 1980's, this has nearly doubled including Aquaculture. Given about half the aquaculture globally is fed from bycatch, at a rough guess that's an additional 40 MILLION tons of seafood a year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overfishing#/media/File:Global_total_fish_harvest.svg

2 QUESTIONS FOR YOU:
1. WHAT'S KILLING OUR OCEANS?
A/ 140 MILLION tons of sea life extracted at industrial scale
B/ far less than 1% of the oceans having dead zones?

2. WHAT'S WARMING OUR PLANET?
A/ CO2 being at 400ppm, adding an extra 4 Hiroshima bombs per second according to the known laws of physics?
B/ FAR less than 1% of the oceans having algal blooms that cannot, according to the laws of physics, be demonstrated to add anywhere near that insane level of extra energy to this planet.

Max Green,

I wonder if you are using a false name that is not a pseudonym and if you are losing the debate here, because you seem excited again, you are increasing the useless stupid waste of time ad hominem.

Re your post: Wednesday, 12 October 2016 9:48:19 PM
Some good worthwhile and informative articles are not completely correct because they are missing some information, as is the case with the one I posted that you refer to.

Yes I have special knowledge, sometimes, just like other people do, it comes to me from actual observation of phenomena not seen or experienced by other people.
I am not indicating I have observed aliens or split an atom.
As for peer review, gravity has not yet been duplicated - for peer review, yet gravity exists and is fact as I have said to you previously.

You asked me to look at the YELLOW so I looked. There is no ocean dead zone west of Mexico but there is heat as I pointed out to you.
Why Max, do you suppose that heat is there and not everywhere globally at the same time as expected if added CO2 was warming the global atmosphere?
What is causing that heat there?

As for your 1% of the world ocean having algae, I do not know your source of that figure. Nevertheless look at it like this.
A hot air fan heater can warm an entire house but I think the thickness and length of the electrical element would be LESS than one percent of that whole house area.

You keep on and on about the Hiroshima equivalent radiation from an extra 4 bombs per second hitting Earth, but again, you have already been informed 1,900 equivalent bombs hit Earth every second.
So I ask you again, what actual damage does the extra 4 do? You never answer that.

Not all the globe is warm today, Max, it’s very cold in Sydney today

Max Green,

Overfishing?
There is no scientific definition of overfishing.

Scientists previously estimated the world ocean could supply 200 million tonnes per year but the recorded total never exceeded 100,000 tonnes.
These days about 50 million tonnes is produced in aquaculture pens.

Landlubbers see fishing boats on the surface and fishing gets the blame, however science to date has always known there have not been enough humans on Earth to consume all the fish that oceans WERE capable of producing.

Fish multiply in trillions and it’s food availability and predators that keep fish populations in balance. But now small fish seagrass nursery ecosystems are devastated to the extent hundreds of millions of seabirds have VANISHED as science says, starved to death in lay terms.

The ABC is not a truthful source of marine information. It is known the eastern alongshore current of Australia transports heavy sand and dissolved nutrient from at least SW Victoria to Fraser Island. Sediment Dispersal System information is missing from ABC reporting about damage to the GBR.

Sand sediment falls over the shelf at Fraser.
Dissolved nutrient in the dispersal current flow cannot just stop at Fraser Island, it continues northwards into the GBR lagoon but that is not included in GBRMPA science or ABC news.
GBRMPA jurisdiction is one problem, politics.

There is science about the dispersal system.
A postulated eddy at the top of Fraser Island appears capable of picking up the nutrient load and pushing that load further into the GBR lagoon, some reaching Cape York.
A Royal Commission should look into reason for absence of that sediment dispersal system in GBRMPA - UN science.

As for the GBR story on Catalyst this week, algae covering already dead coral is obvious but nobody even indicated what that algae is feeding on, keeping it alive.
I think sewage nutrient pollution is keeping that algae alive.

Rivers-of-red? There is no local red soil seen on the GBR because the GBR is 40nm offshore.
I think the “goopy stuff” is from coral including killed by algae.
Too-hard-basket.
They-don’t-know.

Dr Miles seems honest.