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Unsettled Malcolm Roberts queries United Nation's science : Comments
By John Nicol and Jennifer Marohasy, published 16/9/2016At high altitudes, the greenhouse gases provide the only mechanism for the radiation of heat from the atmosphere to space.
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Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 8:04:09 AM
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Max,
Sorry to see you say goodbye. Thanks for the debate. Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 8:08:00 AM
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"Meanwhile, solutions should be commenced to reverse impact of sewage and land use nutrient pollution feeding algae that has devastated ocean estuary food-web nurseries and supply of food for marine animals and seafood dependent coastal and island people."
Agreed. But. You. Have. Failed. To. Link. To. Heat. Or. Climate. Answer the questions or stop raving about this completely ludicrous theory of yours. Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 8:57:35 AM
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Max, you said goodbye.
You are still here. Look back at what you have said in your own posts. You repeat questions I already answered on the other Marohasy thread. You repeat and repeat the 4 hiro bomb scare spin. You infer I do not read after I pointed you to production of heat as a result of biological oxidation involving cyanobacteria. It seems you yourself apparently have not read about phytoplankton cyanobacteria, despite the links I posted for you. Then there are the NASA images. Is it theory of mine that I see pinpoints of cloud forming from rising water vapour above visible algae including in known algae inundated waters? Online Opinion is a website for opinion and I am expressing my opinion. Accordingly I expect a scientist qualified in the particular field to produce evidence to prove my opinion incorrect concerning such serious matters, if that is the case. I think I have stated matters well enough to the best of my ability and I feel there is no need to continue responding to your opinion any further, Max. Cheers. Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 10:33:28 AM
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Why do you think you can equate the behaviour of some *algae* in the ocean with totally different bacteria in a sewerage treatment plant?
The bacteria we use in processing sewer wastes require industrially maintained temperatures and human organic wastes to breed. Only *then* does it add a little additional heat into the (artificial) system. Exactly which algae is going to behave the same way in the much colder, clearer, nutrient deprived oceans? You might have stated things "to the best of your ability", but you have failed to provide ANY evidence to ANY specific question put to you. 1. Why you discount CO2 can and does trap 4 Hiroshima bombs per second spread across the earth? This is *in addition* to whatever other energy you many know about. 2. How would algae warm the oceans? What is the physics? What is the evidence? By what amount? 3. Is there even a correlation? EG: Have we increased anthropogenic algae above natural algae that would account for the warming we witness in the environment? What was the original algae load in the oceans, and what is it now? 4. How can you demonstrate that algae add an extra 4 HIROSHIMA BOMBS per second? (Same as 3 Christmas light globes per square metre of the earth's surface). 5. If algae are meant to generate so much heat, why are there actually so few of them? The following map shows the vast majority of the earth's oceans to have less than THREE HUNDREDTHS of a GRAM of algae per CUBIC METRE OF WATER! That's only 0.03 grams / M3! http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/GlobalMaps/view.php?d1=MYD28M&d2=MY1DMM_CHLORA 6. Why have 13 international studies confirmed that MORE algae would equal LESS WARMING by removing CO2 from the atmosphere? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization Until you can answer all the questions above, you don't have a case. Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 12:33:30 PM
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J F Aus
Have been looking at this for you and am very short of time due to a mate having a breakdown in a difficult location. Suggest you have a good look at two things. The difference between phytoplankton and zooplankton. Also a very interesting and RELEVANT to your interests thing seems to be that plants have a higher albedo at non photosynthesis wavelengths. You will notice that on none of these charts do they even think about reflection of backradiation by plant matter(or anything else). So none of these charts really balances. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fa1UELwAvMI/Us1LPEvyufI/AAAAAAAAEto/Mdp0jpfzO4c/s1600/Fig2-11.png http://static.skepticalscience.com/pics/Figure1.png http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/ar4-wg1/jpg/faq-1-1-fig-1.jpg This means plant matter could become a warmspot from sunlight but not from backradiation. Making your theory live well with mine. Yours providing warming at low CO2 levels and mine producing more cooling as they go up. Think about it. Posted by Siliggy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 7:29:49 AM
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The answer is, can be.
Cyanobacteria can be found in a compost heap but not phytoplankton.
Some species of phytoplankton that are also cyanobacteria can sometimes be overly abundant in ocean and waterways, depending on suitable and adequate nutrient availability.
More here:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Phytoplankton/
As for scientific data I think there is need to wait until science unravels cyanobacteria ecology in oceans and waterways of this planet.
Meanwhile, solutions should be commenced to reverse impact of sewage and land use nutrient pollution feeding algae that has devastated ocean estuary food-web nurseries and supply of food for marine animals and seafood dependent coastal and island people.
It's time for the United Nations Secretary General to see the empirical evidence indicating beyond reasonable doubt that nutrient overload-pollution has already devastated whole world ocean ecosystem ecology and is also causing change to weather and climate.