Still posting, Lefty One?

My story about how white western trendy lefties once drank their own urine was to display to you the lengths that trendies will go to show their social separation from the rest of the population, and their need for Brahmin caste conformity as a means of social identification. In the late 19th century, tertiary educated young people were the most nationalistic and militaristic people around. You were just not cool in Prussia unless you had a sabre scar on your cheek. You will remember from reading "All Quiet on the Western Front" that it was Erich Maria Remarque's teachers who urged their students to enlist and fight for Germany.

You are now pushing the line that peace loving Christians and Muslims are the same thing. Look mate, Germans may be nice people. Japanese may be nice people. Russians may be nice people. But throughout history, the nice people have never counted. People in undemocratic countries will follow their leaders into war if their unelected leaders order them to do it. Islam is entirely different from Christianity. Islam is the only faith which sanctifies through it's holy scriptures, the murder of non Muslims, and the military take over of non Muslim lands through holy war. The nice Muslims will do what their God, dictators, and Imams decree.

You were pushing the old "noble savage" line so beloved of trendy lefties. Stone Age societies are without exception extremely brutal and warlike. They have to be. A hand to mouth existence means that a lot of territory needs to be maintained to ensure the survival of the clan or tribe. Neighbouring stone age tribes are invariably at war with each other. Hunting grounds, grazing grounds, and fertile areas with native fruits and nuts need to be protected from encroachment from rival tribes. These stone age people have lived in peace in their own tribal areas since the day that their tribe collectively expelled the previous owners.

The history of the world
Reveals a simple plan.
He takes who has the power
He holds, who can.

HI LEGO,

Yes, and one could modify that to " .... stone age people have lived in uneasy peace in their own tribal areas since the day that their tribe collectively expelled the previous owners, and until the day when they are expelled and exterminated."

You may not find it in the conventional narrative, but there is a multitude of examples of distrust and fear between groups, of people generally never venturing out at night far from camp, of annual battles between groups, of invasion of groups from hard, resource-hungry country to richer country. One group was exterminated here in SA in about 1872 by neighbouring groups for 'marrying wrong'.

If anybody ever searches for massacre sites, they would need to be ready to suppress any signs that the bones that they are examining show signs of spearing or bludgeoning rather than bullet or sabre wounds, in order to preserve the narrative.

Yes, all pre-civilized societies were brutal and war-oriented. One day Chinese male DNA will be tested and foun to show an overwhelming predominance from a small group (perhaps only one) major ancestry, while the female DNA will show a multitude of ancestries. Again and again, Scottish, Ibero-Celtic, ancient Greek, societies all praised men dying young in battle, and slagged old men dying in bed. Endless legends depict eternal hatred between neighbouring groups. Engels got all that right in his Intro to 'The Origin of the Family .... '

Cheers,

Joe

//But throughout history, the nice people have never counted.//

On the other hand, the meek shall inherit the Earth. So at least we've got that to look forward to. Unless you're calling our man Jesus a liar...

//The history of the world
Reveals a simple plan.
He takes who has the power
He holds, who can.//

How very Khan Noonien Singh.

Some of us are signed up to Starfleet. We don't care for your 'might makes right' philosophy, because whilst it does make for good television we'd prefer to be (metaphorically) on board the Enterprise than living in Westeros.

When all that is important is the amassing and holding of power, Hobbes gives us a good description of what the world would look like:

"No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."

Bugger that.

Too lego
"The lengths some will go to as a means to social identification”. Some I suppose will drink their own urine, and others will charge around wearing the same clothes waving sabers in the air looking to kill. For some reason you seem to think that one is odd and the other is to be respected.

Your right, that the nice (peaceful) people are ignored when it comes to declaring war. There is always a body of thought that will go to war, without really understanding why. One million in the UK marched to say no to the invasion of Iraq, but still the parliament overrode that and went to war any way. Turns out, that all those deaths and treasure was wasted, for an idea that was a lie. The idea that its only undemocratic countries that lead their nation to war seems to forget a lot of history.

Which “stone age societies” are you referring to. My understanding is that the Stone age ended thousands of years ago. However I would agree that the stone age thinking is still alive today and is the cause of much of the misery that I see around the world.

The problem with using your logic is that our collective ability to make this planet uninhabitable for all. It may be that one day you find a drone flying over some party that you are at which decided you are a terrorist, and wipes half your friends and family of the map. Will you then think that your credo is still a good one? Honestly mate if we just worked within our own borders and looked after the land, we could food the world, with the money we waste on the military.

One last thing I live in a country that had a civil war to throw out the foreigns empire builders. Then another country created a mercenary army to support the foreign invader, and their secret service used bombers to drop one tone of high explosive for every citizen in that country.So who were the barbarians in that conflict
Chris

Hi Toni,

LEGO and I were certainly not praising tribal society and its unavoidable brutality everywhere, but merely noting the fact that it did exist and it did exhibit amazing brutality everywhere, AND that its demise from the Earth is a Good Thing.

Or would be. Its current bursting out, hopefully its last gasp, in the Middle East, is something which I'm sure both LEGO and I deplore, and deplore more loudly and fervently than you may hear from the opportunist 'Left', while we bravely risk the catch-all epithet of 'Islamophobe'. No, neither of us is that, I'm sure, but we do hate brutality, inequality and the calculated terrorising of innocent people.

I look forward to OLO contributors on the opportunist 'Left' condemning terrorism and brutality with equal vigour. No rush.

Cheers,

Joe

Too loudmouth
I apologies if my flowery language makes you think I am extracting the urine, it is not the case.

The people who make laws that say wearing more clothes on the beach than others is against the law are in my mind the ones who are being PC, by not allowing people to decide what they want to wear.

I am afraid you had to be born within the sound of bow bells to be classified as a Cockney. Of course, these days you have to be rich to live where my father was born.

I seem to recall that you believe that the more people who think a certain way, makes the belief more credible.

Chris