Joe, I support people being allowed to wear as little or as much as they want to the beach, I do though doubt that many on the conservative dress side of this view things that way (nor some on the other side).

R0bert

Lego
As you think insults add validity to your argument with people who have a different point of view, I will respectfully end our conversation.
The reason I stopped posting before was because I thought that the thread was done. I was wrong so will continue to post as long as we can agree to differ. However this is my last post to you as it is clear you see me as someone you despise and my opinion needs to be changed. I had a look at some earlier posts of yours on this thread. You where talking about young trendy lefties and how good you are at beating them verbally into submission. I have to tell you I still have the same opinion, and the way you change opinion is not by slaging off, or ignoring relevant points that simply don’t fit your point of view.
For the record I think Snowden and Assange have brought to light information that the militarists and intelligence agencies would rather was kept secret from the general population. I believe that tribalism/ is what causes the world to be as violent as it was and is, and the only way to change that is for people to listen to others, and walk a mile in their moccasin’s.

Also for the record I am not a total pacifist, I will fight to protect where I am, I just won’t invade anyone else unlike the empire building nations of the world, who con the working poor that it is there duty to invade others, for the benefit of the military industrial complex that President/General Eisenhower warned us about.

Please feel free to have a last verbal blast at me.
Chris

To Lefty.

My favourite pastime is deprogramming trendy lefties like yourself. The reason why I do it, was because I was myself a trendy lefty in my younger days, and I feel the need to put you on the right track.

I think that leftism is a primarily a fashion statement by young people who wish to appear intelligent and morally upright, against what they have been programmed to see as a iniquitous and corrupt western democratic, free market society. But most young people grow out it, especially when they become parents themselves, and feel the duty to impart pro social values to their offspring. But some lefties remain in a bubble, either within the cloistered halls of academia, or from within leafy suburbs surrounded by an economic fence higher than the Berlin Wall.

The reasons why I rejected leftism, was because even though I am poorly educated, I always had an abiding thirst for knowledge about history. I knew that the leftist narrative of history was simply not true. Then came the so called "anti racism" of the left. Leftist people are obviously very racist towards white people. The absolute hatred which lefties had for their own people and culture disgusted me. Look at the contradiction of leftist feminism. Tony Abbot looks at his watch while Julia Gillard is speaking, and feminists all over the world condemn him as a misogynist. Meanwhile, there is no more misogynist religion than Islam, which get a free pass from leftist feminism.

Everywhere I looked at Leftism, I saw double standards, contradictions, historical air brushing, half truths, and worse. And there was one other thing. Leftists seem to have an abiding love of totalitarianism. They really do think that they (like the aristocrats of old) are something special, that they know how to run the world, and that they think that the peasants should follow their lead, by force if necessary. I would use climatologist Tim Flannery's demand that the Australian government should use the Australian Army to enforce his anti climate change diktats.

Maybe you will in time see what I saw.

To Lego
Ok if you can stop sticking me in your little box of people to be despised , and read my history I am happy to continue this dialogue. First you have not deprogrammed me, I have started two new threads on this blog site.Next I am much like you, my father grew up in the slums of London, and he did not have a regular job until he was 29. The only time I got near a university I failed because I would not believe some of the rigid ideas on economics I was being feed.
To get educated I got took a bus to India from London, 5 weeks, one old Bedford bus, 27 passengers, 9 different nationalities, 7 thousand miles. Fifteen months later I returned to London after having reached as far as Tokyo. To pay my way I taught conversational English in Honk Kong and Japan, and as a front man for a snake oil salesman in Thailand. I watched the black painted B52’s take off from their bases in Thailand headed west for Cambodia in 1973 when we were all told it was not happening, so stop telling me I am uneducated.

I don’t hate white people I am one, It’s just I have been around this planet (26 countries) and have seen the world and how it functions from the inside. I live in a village 12 km north of the Mekong river in a communist state, hardly the place you described.
I agree with you the world is full of totalitarianism, and as many other isam’s as you want to shake a stick at. However it is not reasonable to put all of it in a box labeled the left. I appreciate you have read some information but I am guessing you don’t read anything that challenges your view.

So Lego I am happy to keep talking to you and anyone else about points of view (I am the son of a cockney after all), Just stop slagging me off ok.
Chris

When dealing with trendy lefties, I am not just deprogramming the person I am writing to. I am dealing with the audience as well, and some of them are young trendy lefties. To be effective, I have to use reasoned argument, and I need to keep the audience entertained. The odd insult and heavy sarcasm just happens to be very entertaining,(if you do it right) and if you haven't figured that out yet, then it is something you should dwell upon. The trick is, that if you can make people laugh at your opponents, you have them beat. So no, mate. If you want to cross swords with me, then you had better learn how to deal with criticism.

I have been down this path before with others who think they can muzzle me by refusing to respond to me. That does not stop me responding to their posts with other people. This is, after all, a public discussion board. Eventually, they, take exception to something that I write, and they come back on demanding that I respond to them. In such cases, I laugh first, and then decide whether or not to respond. So if you want to go off in a huff, then be my guest. The audience will interpret that as weakness on your part.

I am an enemy of the left, because they are the enemy of my people and my civilisation. If you class yourself as one of them, then you are my enemy, and the enemy of my people. I know that like myself, young people have this ideology inculcated into them at school. So I will try to be polite, and to use reason and logic first to deprogram you. Failing that, you are an ideologue which no amount of reason can affect. You then become fair game for ridicule. If I can make young trendy lefties laugh at what you are saying, it can cause them to switch on their critical analysis circuits, and question the values and attitudes which have been programmed into them by their leftist teachers and compliant media.

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