Hi Lefty,

Your departure could be a bit premature :) There are always issues coming up which concern human rights and the assault on them by political correctness. And some issues are too complex for the dumb-arse PC mob to even comment on. For example, the French controversy about burkinis:

* women should be allowed to wear whatever they like at the beach, if anything with a 'lower' limit unless it's a nudist beach - in which case, non-nude people should be either ordered to strip or ordered away, and certainly not to take photos.

* no women, any more than men, should be required to wear more clothing than they want to. For anybody trying to force them, it should be an offence severely punished under freedom of expression legislation.

* if men have trouble coming to terms with female bodies (one would think that, somewhere, somewhere ! there is a feminist at least thinking this) that is their problem: women should not have to bend and buckle just to please men, they should not have to cop the consequences of male arousal just by being. If anything, any men having such trouble should see a doctor for treatment. If this means a substantial proportion of the Muslim male population, so be it.

* in a genuinely democratic society, men have no more rights than women. If they have problems coming to terms with that, it is not women's responsibility. Any attempt to exercise power over women improperly should be dealt with severely by the law. Wow, that might see a substantial proportion of the Muslim male population in court. So be it. Inshallah. She knows what she is doing.

Cheers,

Joe

Hi Loudmouth
Well as you ask so nicely I am happy to answer your post. I did think that this thread was becoming a bit worn out.
So the burkinis issue, and more specifically the fining of a woman for wearing what she thought was appropriate attire for the beach. There is an interesting article from the daily mail that “covered” the story fairly well I thought. I wonder if a white woman had been on the beach with such attire ,would those police officers behaved in the same way.
So to your post. “Woman should be allowed to wear whatever they like at the beach” says to me you are all for equality, as long as you do what I think is right. This is the very definition of PC that you rail against in your posts.
It would be fair to say that any man not seeing enough of the female body in the western world to help them with their arousal issues should get some help, instead of demanding that every woman on a beach “buckle” to their demands.
The law was introduced by a man who said that because of one madman, woman should have to dress in a way that is embarrassing to them, to maintain public order. That woman on the beach was no more responsible for that terrorist act than one else, so please explain why she had to be humiliated.
You do seem to have a view of Muslims that is different to me. So in the hope that you are genuinely trying to understand this mad world that we live in, I suggest you take a leaf out of my book and talk to some people who are outside your subset of the human genome, to validate your present wisdom.

Chris

Hi Lefty,

You suggest that " ..... So to your post. “Woman should be allowed to wear whatever they like at the beach” says to me you are all for equality, as long as you do what I think is right. This is the very definition of PC that you rail against in your posts."

I can't see how you made that brave leap: "Women should be allowed to wear what the hell ever they like" or "It doesn't matter what women wear, any more than men." as PC ? So, what wouldn't be PC ? "Women shouldn't be allowed to wear what they like" ? "Men should dictate what women wear" ? In whose dreams ? Some pervy imam ?

Equality, yes. The right to choose, yes. The right to please oneself, yes. Where is the PC in that ? PC advocates can kiss my hairy arse.

"That woman on the beach was no more responsible for that terrorist act than one else, so please explain why she had to be humiliated." I wasn't aware that she had to be, and of course she shouldn't have been. I'll say that ten times if you like :)

The subset of my human genome is a pretty big crowd, as I'm sure yours is. Maybe not. So who do you mean ? What actually are you trying to say ? Is English a second language ?

Cheers,

Joe

Hi loudmouth
Ok I will try to be less obtuse with my terminology, to avoid you needing to check the dictionary so much :). My father was a cockney, and was always playing with words, a habit I appear to have inherited.
So I must have misunderstood the point you were trying to make. You said that woman should not have to wear more clothing than they want to. So do you also believe, that no women should have to wear less clothing than they want to? There are some in Nice who clearly believe that.
The size of one’s Genome subset should always be irrelevant when arguing a point, as to its validity.
Chris

Burkhas are the uniform of radical Islam. Just in case nobody has noticed, France has a problem with radical Islam. 250 French people have been slaughtered over the last 9 months because of radical Islam.

Germany bans the wearing of swasticas because Germany had a problem with radical nationalists who were also socialists. How come the left goes into bat for radical Muslims wearing the uniform of radical Islam, but does not go into bat for nationalistic socialists wearing the uniform of national socialism?

Hi Lefty,

I'm obtuse enough not to know what you are on about, except that perhaps you are trying to sink the boot in somewhere, why I don't know.

As for women wearing as little as they like, given that my grandmother was a nudist, I'm happy if that is their choice, but clearly there are social norms which dictate how little they can wear. All I am suggesting is that women can wear as much as they like, it's up to them. How is that dictating to them, i.e. the conventional definition of PC ?

Actually my granny was married within the sounds of Bow Bells, in West Ham in 1920. Does that make her marriage cockney ?

And if the size of one's genome sub-set is irrelevant, why raise it ?

Hi LEGO,

In my view, the French shouldn't have raised this as an issue: by doing so, they may have politicised something that didn't need to be, and they may have given those neatly-dressed, quietly-spoken imams and sheikhs - the 'good cops to ISIS's 'bad cops' - a grievance and a legitimate human rights cause.

On a slight tangent, the wonderful Daisy Bates was often slagged by ignorant people for wearing ankle-length dresses, gloves, and a large hat. She was Irish, with very fair skin, working for Aboriginal people out in the deserts of Western and South Australia for thirty years. Ignorance springs eternal.

Joe