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Political correctness : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 13/6/2016

When I released a video containing my National Apology to Taxpayers this week, the indignation it caused in some quarters was entirely predictable.

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Yuyutsu, that's a very nice sentiment but unfortunately it's not possible to state facts without offending or hurting some people.
Even discussing topics crucial to social cohesion, like crime, will offend some people.
For example, something needs to be done about the massively high offending rate of indigenous youths but even to quote statistics during the process will offend some people, who say it is racist to point out the discrepancies between races in the area of crime.
So, in a perfect world, we wouldn't hurt anyone. Unfortunately perfect worlds don't exist.
Posted by Big Nana, Monday, 13 June 2016 11:21:30 AM
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We now have a class of people referred to as the 'offenderati'; if they are not offended themselves, they manufacture offence on behalf of others whom they think should be offended. We should strive to offend these people at every opportunity.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 13 June 2016 12:11:15 PM
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Hillel's golden rule: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow". Yuyutsu what absolute rubbish. I offend you so go to the big girl's toilets and have a sook.
What a cheek you might be offended so I cannot speak?
Say what you like matey and I will give it right back to you.
Hillel was another of you twats who think you are the only ones allowed an opinion, you know like Hitler Stalin et al.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 13 June 2016 12:22:01 PM
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Dear Nana,

When a fact needs to be said because it is beneficial, there always is a way to say it in a kind manner. It may however take time and practice.

Firstly, many facts, though true, provide no beneficial information. In that case, it is best not to state them.

Other facts could be beneficial for some people, but if hearing them can hurt others, then one should be careful to state them only to an appropriate audience.

Even when you need to state something unpleasant because it would help your audience, you should take the time to reflect on your words, turn and shape them around, reword the concept so it becomes kind rather than harsh, then wait as long as necessary for an appropriate time when your listeners are ready to receive and absorb it without being hurt.

In the example you provided, are you sure that quoting statistics is helpful or the only way to do something to reduce the massively high offending rate of indigenous youths? Even if it is, should everyone know about it, or perhaps it should only be circulated among judges and law-enforcement personnel?

Consider your intention, why you want the statistics to be known. If it will not do any good, then drop the idea. Otherwise, I encourage you to work on saying it in a kind, sweet and helpful way, in the right place and time where it will help the most.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 13 June 2016 12:32:35 PM
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Couldn't we play the same card? We find name calling offensive. When you call me Islamophobic or racist I am deeply offended and I just ask of you the same thing you ask of me. We find it offensive that free speech can be crippled. We think that laws against 'hate speech' are themselves hate speech. The words of those laws constitute speech which is offensive to many people. You should not be allowed to even say those things let alone encapsulate them into legislation.

It is time that people rose up against this oppression and fought back against a new type of discrimination. Many are saying that the rise of Donald Trump is a sign of the anger and frustration of people who feel like they are being controlled by a new self-proclaimed totalitarianism. It is unfortunate that the only way they can express this anger is to support someone like Trump but the day may not be far away when a genuine political force emerges to fight back against this insidious tide.
Posted by phanto, Monday, 13 June 2016 12:51:58 PM
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Yuyutsu, why should I avoid offending people with facts? Sometimes action will only happen because people are offended, or embarrassed or ashamed.
Tiptoeing gently around major social issues will never effect any change. People need motivation to change, and getting them angry or upset is a good method of motivation.
Posted by Big Nana, Monday, 13 June 2016 1:41:07 PM
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